All this hoo-hah about RVP's contract but...

[ToledoTrumpton]

The problem is .. nobody can argue with Toledo because he talks so much rubbish and believes it so intensely. Stats

You continue to form your opinions based on stats and we will continue to form our opinions based on what we see.

You obviously think that somehow, if you think something then it can't be wrong, but stats can? Bit conceited isn't it? I have no idea how the guy can have a 75%-80% pass accuracy rate, most of it in a very contested part of the field with bad ball control. But you go on spouting your opinion based on your myopic vision, just don't expect anybody to take it too seriously.

Don't sit on the fence there Toledo, say what you really think!

However, for somebody who hates those who make nasty comments on players abilities your comment on Gervinho seems like double standards...

That's a fair point, but I'm not saying Gervinho is rubbish or that he isn't good, I'm just saying that his ball control is nothing like as good as Theo's.

 

[gent]

Gent - what did we change to accommodate playing him more in a forward role this season ? Nothing. The solution is simple, play him as a forward in a 4-3-3 - wider than RVP but not as wide as a winger.

We didn't and we shouldn't. That's what I'm saying. The manager would risk changing 'what works' to accommodate a player if he thinks he is exceptional. Walcott just isn't.

You people are acting like I'm saying he's the worst player we have ever had. I'm just saying at this point in time he is overvalued in the market, and if we would use the money we get by selling him we could have a winger who is useful for 90 minutes of the game.


Walcott against certain opponents is almost like playing with 10 men, that's why for me he is at best an impact sub, with starts against teams that open up.

 

[Arsenal87]

Yes we should sign Theo, the man has scored goals into the double digits for the past 2 seasons, and is still very young, and is still learning on the wing, yet as I said, he's already scoring into the double digits, so why on earth would you want to get rid of such a player? It's not easy finding new wingers who can get the job done for you, just look at Gervino, he scored 3 times for us! A winger who can score double digit goals for you in the season is a must keep, end of story.

 

[theHotHead]

No Gent- I'm agreeing with you - Walcott at times did play in a more advanced role and we didn't have to change anything to accommodate that - which proves we can and should play him in that way.

I totally agree that Walcott is less than useless as a winger and too often it is like playing with 10 men. But My feelings on Walcott change totally when I think of him as a striker or forward, he has a very important role to play for us in that position.

Arsenal87 - you are making me wanna throw up dude - please stop suggesting Walcott should be a winger ......

 

[gent]

And Walcott is far better than Gervinho defensively.

They are both **** defensively, so I haven't noticed the delicacies of their stink in that aspect.

You just make up crap based on some bizarre opinion, and based on no more than that start ripping into them, probably because you have the mistaken impression that it makes you superior. That isn't being a Arsenal fan (although it is sadly becoming normal), that is just being a pratt.

nice contribution to the thread doctor.

"Song is out of position", "Ramsey gives the ball away too much", "Walcott has bad ball control", and when you get called out (because it is clearly ****ing rubbish and they keep stats on that kind of thing), you just keep repeating said crap, and making up more rubbish.

Hmm.. never said Song is out of position. He has done a good job this season.

Ramsey did give the ball away in key plays too often this season. Which doesn't mean his percentages were bad but he almost set up assists for opponents at times.

As for Walcott, are you suggesting ball control isn't one of his weaknesses? Are you from an alternate universe and can i get stream links from there for the next game? Thanks. Seeing Walcott not tumble on the ball all the ****ing time would be a pleasant change.

 

[Arsenal87]

No Gent- I'm agreeing with you - Walcott at times did play in a more advanced role and we didn't have to change anything to accommodate that - which proves we can and should play him in that way.

I totally agree that Walcott is less than useless as a winger and too often it is like playing with 10 men. But My feelings on Walcott change totally when I think of him as a striker or forward, he has a very important role to play for us in that position.

Useless winger?! 11 goals, and 13 assists doesn't sound useless to me, that sounds pretty ****ing fantastic for a 23 year old winger playing in one of THE toughest leagues in the world. If there was any other young winger with these stats Arsenal fans would be clamouring for Wenger to sign him up, or if Arsenal were rumoured to be signing a young winger with these states, Arsenal fans would be delighted at such a prospect.

And in the previous season he grabbed 13 goals, and 9 assists, so hardly sounds useless to me my friend, 24 goals and 22 assists in two seasons as a winger is excellent, and he's only going to get better.

 

[theHotHead]

Oh here we go .. more stats ....

There is more to football than stats. Try to focus on what else he does for the other 89 minutes of the games he scored or assisted in.

I'm no Walcott hater - I am in the "play Walcott as a forward" movement

But as a winger, he is pretty dreadful, continually running down blind alleys, poor first touch, awful crossing, awful decision making - no footballing brain as Waddle says, hit n miss shooting. As a forward you remove most of these things from his game because he doesn't have to think about things, he can just DO and when Walcott is through on goal he is deadly.

 

[Arsenal Said Knock You Out!]

Its not just George Graham, there are many people who think the same actually.

If we don't play Theo in a role that suits him and benefits the club i.e. not as a winger, we should sell him because he is a poor winger and far too inconsistent and we need players who contribute most games as opposed to every now and then.

I also think Theo would be more lethal as a striker but Wenger can't see this. He's done this before converting Henry from winger who lacked confidence in his scoring ability to deadly striker. That decision was probably the single best thing Wenger did after signing him.

Will the big boss ever take risks or try anything new?

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

Useless winger?! 11 goals, and 13 assists doesn't sound useless to me, that sounds pretty ****ing fantastic for a 23 year old winger playing in one of THE toughest leagues in the world. If there was any other young winger with these stats Arsenal fans would be clamouring for Wenger to sign him up, or if Arsenal were rumoured to be signing a young winger with these states, Arsenal fans would be delighted at such a prospect.

And in the previous season he grabbed 13 goals, and 9 assists, so hardly sounds useless to me my friend, 24 goals and 22 assists in two seasons as a winger is excellent, and he's only going to get better.

Well yeah, that's pretty good, puts him eighth in the PL, but only if you are stupid enough to believe in stats. You should be smarter and only believe what Hothead sees with his eyes, all those assists and goals don't actually mean anything.

 

[theHotHead]

Ammaar - this is the reason I feel sorry for Walcott. He has expressed his desire to be played in his normal position but Wenger is reluctant. He is no winger, you can see it, when you see a proper winger like Lennon or OXO in action you can see the difference immediately. But Walcott as a forward looks entirely different

Walcott is getting abuse from fans for something that isn't his fault, but the fans don't want to see a player who has 1 good game then 5 bad games. something has to give.

I'm just glad the people who know what they are doing don't base their footballing decisions on stats

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

I also think Theo would be more lethal as a striker but Wenger can't see this. He's done this before converting Henry from winger who lacked confidence in his scoring ability to deadly striker. That decision was probably the single best thing Wenger did after signing him.

Will the big boss ever take risks or try anything new?

How is trying to repeat what he did with Henry, trying something "New"?

So you guys would be happy wth a mid-table finish and Wenger saying, "Hey I just went for a risk, and it didn't work out, no big deal"?

You don't seem to realise this isn't just a, "Give him a shot at it," it means changing players and practicing a different style of play. I just can't see how you guys think he is going to get round behind a "park the bus" defense through the middle, if he can't do it down the flanks!

 

[theHotHead]

Toledo

Why do you bother, seriously ??? You just don't get it and I am tired of trying to explain it to you.

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

Toledo

Why do you bother, seriously ??? You just don't get it and I am tired of trying to explain it to you.

And I am trying to explain it to you. But for some reason you think that you are right, and therefore everyone is stupid not believing you.

Yet I am trying to explain why all the extremely well qualified coaches at Arsenal and Barcelona value Walcott more as a winger, and I am supporting it with statistics.

You on the other hand are saying all those better qualified people are wrong and the statistics are wrong, why cant you guys see it? Well, that is why. It is plain dumb.

 

[Arsenal Said Knock You Out!]

How is trying to repeat what he did with Henry, trying something "New"?

So you guys would be happy wth a mid-table finish and Wenger saying, "Hey I just went for a risk, and it didn't work out, no big deal"?

You don't seem to realise this isn't just a, "Give him a shot at it," it means changing players and practicing a different style of play. I just can't see how you guys think he is going to get round behind a "park the bus" defense through the middle, if he can't do it down the flanks!

Erm, Wenger tried using Ramsey as a winger, didn't work so why not try switching Walcott from Winger to striker for a game or two?

That explanation simple enough for you to digest?

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

We don't think everyone is stupid, we think your argument and your interpretations of Arsenal and their players are stupid.

It is obvious to all that Walcott is a poor winger. He completed 14 crosses out of 107 attempted - that is total dross.

He has no confidence to beat his man, no composure on the ball, no conviction in his dribbling, no trickery, poor agility. His performances typify to me he is a poor winger. When he has been an inside forward, he has made intelligent runs and finishes off reasonably well. His positioning is better and his pace and clinical ability is what most Arsenal fans value the most about him.

What ''well-qualified coaches'' at Barcelona AND Arsenal have claimed he's better as a winger? Even if they did say that, it's more than likely to protect Wenger's views on Theo - do you think Wenger will accept ''less experienced'' people to criticize him or how he deploys his players? Of course not!

Statistics aren't wrong, but they are misleading. And most of the goals Walcott has scored has been when he's been utilized as a forward - NOT a winger.

Honestly, this is just gibberish.

Walcott has never, since he has joined us, played for a single minute as a central striker. You have no idea if he can play through the middle because he NEVER has. He has come inside, but he always been the winger. Of course he scores his goals when he comes inside, he can't very well score from the touchline, can he?

Coming inside to contribute goals is part of a winger's game, it doesn't mean that he can score goals if he starts in the middle, where he is going to be well-marked. RvP isn't much of a target, how the hell are we going to get Walcott on the end of a cross. And don't come back with that 4-4-2 drivel again!

 

[Arsenal Said Knock You Out!]

Honestly, this is just gibberish.

Walcott has never, since he has joined us, played for a single minute as a central striker. You have no idea if he can play through the middle because he NEVER has.

Wow, Walcott must be the 1st player to have never played out of position, he's glued to that right wing right.

If Bale was as disciplined as this sp*rs might have finished above us.

 

[TheBear]

We don't think everyone is stupid, we think your argument and your interpretations of Arsenal and their players are stupid.

It is obvious to all that Walcott is a poor winger. He completed 14 crosses out of 107 attempted - that is total dross.

He has no confidence to beat his man, no composure on the ball, no conviction in his dribbling, no trickery, poor agility. His performances typify to me he is a poor winger. When he has been an inside forward, he has made intelligent runs and finishes off reasonably well. His positioning is better and his pace and clinical ability is what most Arsenal fans value the most about him.

What ''well-qualified coaches'' at Barcelona AND Arsenal have claimed he's better as a winger? Even if they did say that, it's more than likely to protect Wenger's views on Theo - do you think Wenger will accept ''less experienced'' people to criticize him or how he deploys his players? Of course not!

Statistics aren't wrong, but they are misleading. And most of the goals Walcott has scored has been when he's been utilized as a forward - NOT a winger.

You dont understand the system we play.

This is not the 90's and we dont play a flat 4-4-2. Walcott is a 'forward' and his job is to cut in and run at goal.
NOT hug the touchline and fire crosses.

 

[lazarus20000]

Walcott is NOT a winger period. God knows what TT actually watches when Arsenal play but he sure as doesn't play as a traditional winger. As Ammar and Hothead validly points out, he does not have the right attributes to play successfully as a winger. He doesn't have the trickery, nor the skills to go past players. For most of the second half of the season, he has got most of his success from playing inside and incorporated inside play with RVP, almost as a support striker. He was trained as a striker, plays like a striker and IS A FRIGGING STRIKER. Just because Wenger sticks him on the right wing doesn't automatically qualify him as a winger. Wenger stuck FRIGGING Bendtner on the wing and what the hell did that do?

The real reason why we play Walcott on the right wing is Wenger doesn't trust him in the middle and he is desperately trying to get Walcott to adapt and learn new things by putting him on the wing. As for ball control, he comfortably has the worst ball control of any mid/forward squad player. Play a ball in front of him and see him go, play to his feet and you can see him strain. Also, we don't have any friggin squad depth to replace him so we're pretty much stuck with him either way....

 

[TheBear]

What on earth are you talking about? I never suggested we played a flat 4-4-2.

''Walcott is a forward and his job is to cut in and run at goal. NOT hug the touchline and fire crosses.''

You clearly haven't been reading what I've been writing, because you would find I have been agreeing with you on that front.

Fair play but still critiscising Theo because of his crossing accurancy is'nt that good is like critiscising Szcezney on his pass completion rate. Both arnt that telling.

 

[SpursDisciple]

Of course he scores his goals when he comes inside, he can't very well score from the touchline, can he?

That's right, he's no Peter Crouch!