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Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by johnnywarksmoustache, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    I think we'll know by the end of August how the season is going to pan out. I've seen some things I like a lot in the first match but a lot that bothers me.
     
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  2. johnnywarksmoustache

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    Fingers crossed that we beat Exeter in the Cup next week! A cup win would be a refreshing change. <ok>
     
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  3. fieldmarshall

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    I couldn't agree with you more jonny, we made a huge profit from MMs signings plus a further £1M from Man City for the boy Knight who cost us nothing at all, we then identify players vital to us strengthening the squad and start penny pinching to such an extent that we don't get them.
    We get rid of Tommy Smith followed by Webster so now we need to loan a CB! Players such as Carter Vickers are great to have at the Club but they they belong to another team so no long term benefit to us whatsoever.
    It's a hell of a gamble to put the future of the Club into lower league players hands and I hope it pays off but hey ho Evans has made a few millions so all is well?
     
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  4. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Yeah i forgot about the £1 Million we got for the young lad!

    So that's what £12 Million in player sales this window and only £4.5 Million spent?

    A nice £7.5 Million for ME!

    Even if you take out the £6 Million he pumps in annually that still £1.5 Million!
     
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  5. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    You're missing one point Warky. He may make that money available for loan wages and January transfers. The transfer window slammed shut but I think we did good business all round. If they know Waghorn and Garner are going to be sold earlier in the summer then perhaps they can get others in, but they can't buy players and then be £6m or £7m down.
     
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    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    The central point I am making is that after years of austerity Evans could easily afford to shell out a few extra million for the new manager to invest in decent players. To lose a deal due to an extra £400k is laughable in the grand scheme of things! A budget of £10 Million invested wisely would have been sensible. <ok>
     
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  7. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Sorry but I don't agree Warky. I think it's a lot of money for a ****e player and Hurst obviously thought the same or the deal would have been done.
     
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  8. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Well if he thought he was ****e why bother bidding for him in the first place! <doh>
     
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  9. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Because we need options up front. At the end of the day, we got Jackson for almost a million less than was being asked. If you don't think we should negotiate and just pay whatever's asked we'll have even less money to buy the right players when they become available.
     
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  10. Nuggets

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    Probably overstating things a tad, considering our outgoings had some money going back to clubs in sell ons. I've seen this breakdown floating around soical media and TWTD and I think it's fairly on the money. Roughly I think it works out something like:

    Outgoings
    Waghorn - £4.5m (after Rangers have their fee)
    Webster - £2.8m (after Portsmouth have their fee)
    Garner - £1.25m (did Rangers have a sell on clause for this deal too? Wouldn't surprise me.
    Knight - £1m
    World Cup money - £400k
    Total - Approximately £9.9m

    Incomings (excluding agency fees, sign on fees, and wages)
    Nolan / Nsiala - £2m
    Jackson - £1.6m
    Edwards - £750k
    Harrison - £750k
    Donacien - £750k
    Chalobah / Edun - previous Premier League loans cost us about £1m each with fees and wages, let's say these two came to £1m
    Plus the £1.4m he ploughs in to fund the academy
    Total - Approximately £8.25m

    So we've got shy of £2m left, as an optimistic number.
     
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    That may well be true Nuggetts and I dont dispute those figures but what I do take issue with is Evans not investing any extra money! Its not as though he cant afford it! <ok>

    If he cant afford it or wont put any extra in then he should sell up!
     
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  12. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    You do realise if he'd put just an extra £2.5m each transfer window we'd now be £50m more in debt? Not to mention the extra wages.
     
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    We are in debt to him and you cant be in debt to yourself!
     
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    This is the kind of logic that got us a Leave vote :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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    Oh please dont start with all that Remoaner bollox again! <laugh>
     
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  16. Nuggets

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    Something we can agree on there Hampy haha!
     
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  17. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Seriously though, we have to be sustainable or with the mountain of debt you're talking about we'll end up out of the Football League altogether.
     
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    He is THE MAN to lead us into our bright new BREXIT future <ok> <laugh>



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  19. johnnywarksmoustache

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    So you are happy with the level of cash we are spending?
     
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  20. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Yes I think we've had a brilliant transfer window. While everybody else is throwing cash around for very average players from the Championship and Premier League I'd rather we put hard work into scouting and knowledge and unearthed some gems from the lower leagues and abroad and bringing through talent from the Academy.

    I think Fulham have done absolutely terrible business this transfer window. £18m for Mitrovic is absolutely bananas.
     
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