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DMD said:
Spurlock is simply a yappy no mark. If you need to beg him for help, you're in deep ****e. I've found the link you struggled to post btw, it seems to back up the earlier reply you've been trying to avoid.
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<laugh>

Beg him for help <laugh><laugh>

Please stop my sides are splitting
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thefanwithnoname said:
No it's not a term for Muslims, it goes against Islamic belief.

I don't get how you can't see the problem with your claim as it's evident from those two quotes


take the first. So pagans and non Muslims are not allowed to do hajj. This doesn't mean the hajj is a pagan ritual. Fasting in ramadhan doesn't make you a Muslim, here I mean you DMD

The second quote is specific evidence that the " sai" as it is called between safa and marwa are rooted in abrahamic belief. FYI its based on Hagar running between the two mountains with Ishmael and God answering her prayers. The hadith in full corrects the narrator.
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My reply:

DMD said:
Again? People are getting quite bored of you ignoring the replies, but okay, I'm a patient chap, and you really haven't explained anything. You simply repeated your myth, so if you're going to respond, you need some evidence to support your myth. You've tried to narrow it down to this bit, having failed with all the other points I raised, so this is your last desperate stand.

Given the rest of the traditions associated with it are certainly pagan, and the Abrahimic faith you're desperate to tie it all too copies pagan stories and traditions, it seems a little pointless, but what the hell.


Firstly, sa'i is the walk between the two hillocks of Safa and Marwa, yes? If it isn't feel free to explain what it is, and I'll thank you for the education, and then probably show you why that too was pagan.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " Narrated Ibn Abbas: Allah's Apostle performed Tawaf of the Ka'ba and the Sa'i of Safa and Marwa so as to show his strength to the pagans. (Hadith, al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 710-711)

So, your books show that prior to mohamed, it was pagan. Yes? This supports the additional information and wider argument posted earlier.

What you need to do, is produce some solid evidence that the same ceremony was ever carried out by people of abrahimic faiths before the pagans did it.

NB, quotes from your book saying it happened are not credible. You need to provide additional, external information in the same way as I have.
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Next should come your answer, with evidence. <ok>
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Me: explains SAI on Sunday

You: blah blah blah

Me: SAI

You: what's SAI?

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Simply confirming we're arguing the same thing because your writing is sometimes unclear, and your point moves. I wasn't sure if the SAI, you mention was something different to sa'i.

As it seems to have been cleared up, and we are talking of the same thing, and it was clearly pagan pre mohamed, feel free to show how it used to be something else. <ok>
 
DMD said:
Simply confirming we're arguing the same thing because your writing is sometimes unclear, and your point moves.

As it seems to have been cleared up, and we are talking of the same thing, and it was clearly pagan pre mohamed, feel free to show how it used to be something else. <ok>
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Wasn't even me who bought it up

Doesn't know his own "evidence"

Hey I know, in the spirit of quid pro quo, what's atheism DMD? <laugh><laugh>

Its not been explained by bodinki, PNP etc <laugh>

Must be their English skills <laugh><laugh>

No no not English skill it must be because their points move<laugh>
 
thefanwithnoname said:
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Wasn't even me who bought it up

Doesn't know his own "evidence"

Hey I know, in the spirit of quid pro quo, what's atheism DMD? <laugh><laugh>

Its not been explained by bodinki, PNP etc <laugh>

Must be their English skills <laugh><laugh>
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I'm happy to stick to your argument.

Do you have any evidence to prove sa'i or SAI as you describe it, was abrahimic in the dim and distant past, as the quotes show it was clearly pagan pre-mohamed.

Just say if you'd prefer to move on.
 
DMD said:
Spurlock is simply a yappy no mark. If you need to beg him for help, you're in deep ****e. I've found the link you struggled to post btw, it seems to back up the earlier reply you've been trying to avoid.
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you're not worth more than what I give to you, it's a measured approach
 
Spurlock said:
The question was 'is this Sai' ?

The answer is 'No'

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Watching people following a bastardised version of moon god worship is interesting. It's lucky the pagans are peaceful, and don't protest at the insult of the theft of their belief. <ok>
 
Spurlock said:
The question was 'is this Sai' ?

The answer is 'No'

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Mate he is talking ****e

On Sunday I said, and I quote


The second quote is specific evidence that the " sai" as it is called between safa and marwa are rooted in abrahamic belief. FYI its based on Hagar running between the two mountains with Ishmael and God answering her prayers.


Now please explain to me how this is hard to understand?

I even reiterated it and explained it further later
 
Spurlock said:
You sound angry...lol

**** off
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Do I? Perception can be an odd thing can't it.

Are you going to do your usual rant thing, the one you do when reality starts to appear?

Go on, it's funny when you do that, and your wee buddy seems to have got tired of avoiding answering, so I could do with some entertainment.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Mate he is talking ****e

On Sunday I said, and I quote


The second quote is specific evidence that the " sai" as it is called between safa and marwa are rooted in abrahamic belief. FYI its based on Hagar running between the two mountains with Ishmael and God answering her prayers.


Now please explain to me how this is hard to understand?

I even reiterated it and explained it further later
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You did say that, hence me posting the answers you keep trying to ignore.

Have another go. As a hint, your task is to show that the pagan ritual was ever used by abrahimic faiths before mohamed.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Mate he is talking ****e

On Sunday I said, and I quote


The second quote is specific evidence that the " sai" as it is called between safa and marwa are rooted in abrahamic belief. FYI its based on Hagar running between the two mountains with Ishmael and God answering her prayers.


Now please explain to me how this is hard to understand?

I even reiterated it and explained it further later
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Easy enough and factual enough, I told you about this **** before though, he's the aggressive Athiest...no one gives a **** about him...but he's bothered about everyone who believes in God.

Probably got bummed by the Clergy men
 
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DMD said:
I'm happy to stick to your argument.

Do you have any evidence to prove sa'i or SAI as you describe it, was abrahimic in the dim and distant past, as the quotes show it was clearly pagan pre-mohamed.

Just say if you'd prefer to move on.
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<laugh>

Kylie arse syndrome as I heard a comedian once say

Sticks it on our face and then says why is everyone looking at it <laugh>

Provides "evidence" gets owned and says "I'm happy to stick to your argument"

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In the words of @Spurlock

**** off <laugh>
 
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