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DMD said:
Perhaps you could lead by example, and answer the questions and points raised for you, now that every answer you've asked has been answered, and probably more than once. :emoticon-0105-wink:



As a reminder.

You ask:

"Break it down, my additions in italics

Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710 Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to (past tense) (1)dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?"

He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed (present tense and change in stance) (2)

: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah (3)(affirms its not pagan). It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba (4)(includes Kaaba as symbol of Allah also), or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.'" (2.158)

Italics not clear? Its the bracketed bits"


I answer


I have answered it several times, but you seem to miss responding, so I'll have another go. I don't mind, I'm a patient sort of guy.

So, you seem to be looking at th etense of the first bit which I've numbered as (1)
Yep, that's past tense. They didn't like to take part as it was pagan. As confirmed by (2)
(3) This is where your argument starts to break down, but yep, at that point it suggests that it is no longer pagan in their eyes.

(4) Which for reasons raised in the points you ignore, is most likely pagan.

Your 'evidence' seems to be somone says 'god said', without anything else at all to support it, and plenty that shows it to be most likely untrue and they are pagan traditions that mohamed tried to incorporate.

You need evidence.
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I don't want to go into this with you as you have nothing to offer, however its going to lead to you doing my head in so let's kill this now with one question(which I have provided as evidence for you prior but you have completely ignored)

The SAI originated from where?
 
DMD said:
You have got the wrong idea of what an atheist is.


It simply means a lack of belief in god or gods, no more, no less. You cannot apply the rest of that ^^^ to it.
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Yeah we established what atheism means, its what atheists have took to arguing is the discussion I am having with PNP

You are not atheist you said so its not really an issue with you
 
Ginger Marks said:
I think its time to come to the universal understanding where you all agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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Mate I was happy to leave it, but the guy is like a leach so here we are

I know it won't lead to anything but him squirming, making accusations whilst doing what he is accusing me of but at least it will keepnit here and not spill over to other threads
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Mate I was happy to leave it, but the guy is like a leach so here we are

I know it won't lead to anything but him squirming, making accusations whilst doing what he is accusing me of but at least it will keepnit here and not spill over to other threads
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This is what is so frustrating about Internet debates....because what you have just said there hasn't happened, even remotely.
Typically all internet debates end the same.
Both sides speak their minds and then claim "victory". It's hilarious <laugh>
 
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thefanwithnoname said:
No one is asking for uniformity, and I do believe my main beef with those purporting to be atheists is the hypocrisy of applying that to religion

For example if I ask you personally how you believe the world came into existence (no needed to answer just an example) no matter what your answer I won't apply it to DMD (albeit he claims not yo be atheist but you get my drift) yet many a times I get the christian creationist stance aimed at me although I am Muslim

Not only that but the whole science, religion and atheism discussions make certain assumptions so you, rightly, say evolution isn't about how we came to be (universe/world etc) and I agree but on the flipside of that is religion doesn't claim to explain photosynthesis in detail.

A person claiming atheism but saying I rely on science needs to see that science may explain photosynthesis and accurately but with origins its as much and often moreso a fairytale if we look at those who present the likes of abiogenisis theory (didnt you present this to me once? I could be wrong but sure we discussed it once)
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The difference is that you can apply what a religion says about a topic to someone that follows that religion.
I may not know what a particular Christian believes about wearing mixed fabrics, but I know what it says in the Bible.
Atheism has no equivalent.

Someone saying that they accept scientific explanations for our existence and origins wouldn't even have to have an opinion on abiogenesis.
They could accept it, reject it as unproven or even be completely unfamiliar with the concept.
 
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thefanwithnoname said:
I don't want to go into this with you as you have nothing to offer, however its going to lead to you doing my head in so let's kill this now with one question(which I have provided as evidence for you prior but you have completely ignored)

The SAI originated from where?
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Paganism.


Your only 'evidence' is as ever 'god said'.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Mate I was happy to leave it, but the guy is like a leach so here we are

I know it won't lead to anything but him squirming, making accusations whilst doing what he is accusing me of but at least it will keepnit here and not spill over to other threads
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I've patiently stuck to the topic, and then drifted along answering as you tried to drag it all over.

I'm happy to do that, as every reply simply highlights that you follow a fraud of a religion, that stole it's 'traditions'.
 
Spurlock said:
I agree with this..it's the same for people who share the same belief aswell I think though. We all have different levels of interpretation and I can't really answer for a group either. Maybe a group shares generic beliefs hence the foundations for a group to be formed are there..E.g A God or no God

but when it comes to normal everyday people...we all embrace a belief on our own level and terms, consciously or subconsciously.
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Except I am not saying that.

Interesting how if you and me denied that ahmadiyya or shia were not Muslims the response would be ah its interpretation and that would be pages of argument how it should be clearer, you and I know it is and that is what makes the distinction
 
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Bodinki said:
This is what is so frustrating about Internet debates....because what you have just said there hasn't happened, even remotely.
Typically all internet debates end the same.
Both sides speak their minds and then claim "victory". It's hilarious <laugh>
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I suggest you read back and look to what we agreed and how it went, do it honestly and get back to me, also take into account other peoples responses to the guy on other threads
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
The difference is that you can apply what a religion says about a topic to someone that follows that religion.
I may not know what a particular Christian believes about wearing mixed fabrics, but I know what it says in the Bible.
Atheism has no equivalent.

Someone saying that they accept scientific explanations for our existence and origins wouldn't even have to have an opinion on abiogenesis.
They could accept it, reject it as unproven or even be completely unfamiliar with the concept.
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Indeed.
I don't know every theory about scientific subjects or what is the general consensus of every field.
I doubt anyone does.

There's generally batshit elements in all quarters of life.
I heard some guy claim that Dinosaurs and Man walked the earth together and that the carbon dating of fossils is a Satanic conspiracy amongst scientists to discredit god <laugh>
 
thefanwithnoname said:
No o explained origins of SAI in religion

Now you need to show its origins in paganism, as per your claim

That's how discussion works
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Nope. You explained someone saying 'god did it' It's not 'evidence'.


It's all occured before your religion.
 
Bodinki said:
Indeed.
I don't know every theory about scientific subjects or what is the general consensus of every field.
I doubt anyone does.

There's generally batshit elements in all quarters of life.
I heard some guy claim that Dinosaurs and Man walked the earth together and that the carbon dating of fossils is a Satanic conspiracy amongst scientists to discredit god <laugh>
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What position does he hold in the US government?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I suggest you read back and look to what we agreed and how it went, do it honestly and get back to me, also take into account other peoples responses to the guy on other threads
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I realise that people do not like DMD's views, especially on the Politics thread.
I personally think the guy talks sense a lot of the time, although his debating style is very off putting and needs some work.
I think the whole "You answer" "No, you answer first" thing is hilarious.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
The difference is that you can apply what a religion says about a topic to someone that follows that religion.
I may not know what a particular Christian believes about wearing mixed fabrics, but I know what it says in the Bible.
Atheism has no equivalent.

Someone saying that they accept scientific explanations for our existence and origins wouldn't even have to have an opinion on abiogenesis.
They could accept it, reject it as unproven or even be completely unfamiliar with the concept.
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This doesn't happen, the arguments getting presented are mainly christian theology to a Muslim, a Muslim who isn't Sufi or barelwi so doesn't adhere to certain concepts

However the main issue is still that atheism is a lack of belief in god, religion is a belief in a creator science doesn't deny or necessarily support either.
 
Bodinki said:
haha, he was some pastor or reverend or some such at some big church organisation in the US.
How did you guess he was American? <laugh>
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It's a very American viewpoint. Their society is being heavily undermined by fruitcakes.
 
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