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Afterlife - Does it exist?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Shirley, Sep 24, 2011.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    No offence Piskie, but why did you discount your original response, when you thought that you may have been hallucinating due to stress and tiredness?
     
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  2. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    No it doesnt exist.

    As for people who see ghosts and such rubbish...

    Your brain can and does create toxins that are basically LSD. This in turn causes hallucinations amongst other things.

    As well as that I expect everyone here has seen stars, or those purple/orange sort of blobs/blocks floating around. I bet once they were mistaken for some sort of ghostly apparition.

    I said in some god bothering thread that the human brain is an amazingly powerful thing.
     
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  3. Erik

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    Anything like this PISKIE? <laugh>

    [video=youtube;ou6JNQwPWE0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou6JNQwPWE0[/video]
     
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  4. Hugh Briss

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    I think it's about time a number of you woke up to the fact that we are just physical beings - there are no Gods, no afterlife, no heaven, no hell and certainly no aliens in a nearby galaxy.

    Anything else I can clear up for you? <doh>

    Pathetic.
     
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  5. THe Mighty Huth Rocks

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    yes, if it is proven that there is something else faster than the speed of light, how will this affect the Earth as we know it
     
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  6. Hugh Briss

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    It will not affect the Earth as we know it, simply our understanding.
     
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  7. THe Mighty Huth Rocks

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    So what would be your understanding of people's understanding of this?
     
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  8. Hugh Briss

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    Obviously I couldn't possibly comprehend the comprehension of others to this subject - it would be overly speculative. <whistle>...
     
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  9. THe Mighty Huth Rocks

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    Some thick ****ers on here would not be able to comprehend, the understanding of the comprehension of that understanding.
     
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  10. PINKIE

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    Because the experience persisted through and beyond my rational deconstruction of it.

    I'm not the sort of person to extrapolate an elaborate explanation for something that lacks definition. i.e. 'you experience something odd and therefore it must be supernatural.'

    You could say that I am a healthy skeptic, not in a cynical way, but in a rational questioning way.

    Also, I work in psychological services, at quite an experienced level, with people who experience hearing voices, hallucinations, dissociative conditions, Schizophrenia etc, so I have a detailed insight into what would be called cognitive delusions.

    I've also had personal experience of LSD, DMT, Psilocybin and thus have an experiential insight into what would commonly be termed as an hallucination.

    This was something wholly and completely different from any of these.

    As I've said, I'm the type of person who looks to rational explanations first and I'm not someone to attribute meaning to an experience for the sake of it, simply because it suits my belief system.

    But this experience was something undeniably real in the commonest sense of the term.

    People don't have to believe me and ultimately that makes no difference, but as someone who in the past would have dismissed this type of thing as - attributing meaning to something that has none, I would have to say that this experience forced me to see things in a completely different way.
     
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  11. Erik

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    PISKIE you sound like a mong.
     
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  12. PINKIE

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    Given your infantile response, what makes you think that your opinion isn't worthless?
     
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  13. eddieveeee

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    are you sure it wasnt a fart PISKIE
     
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  14. PINKIE

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    yes I'm sure.
     
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  15. Erik

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    <laugh>
     
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  16. jerseymackem

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    That is utterly astounding, PISKIE.

    As some of you may know, I am a Catholic, so I believe in life after death. I sort of follow the Descartes theory of, if I can have some sort of an idea of God, He probably exists. Science can explain what happens and give theories on them, for example the nuclear strong force, but nobody knows how they happen, and why they happen. I heard that the chances of elements forming amino acids, and then into life, is of the order of 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000. That is inconceivably large, seeing as there are only about 10 to the power of 650 subatomic particles in the entire universe. If a God exists, a Creator, the natural conclusion is that there is an afterlife so that our consciousness can carry on after the physical element of life has rotted away.
     
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  17. PINKIE

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    I think science is great, it gives us a framework to understand the cosmos around us - in a way that is impartial (as best as it can be, but it is still a belief system) and testable.
    The scientific paradigm is designed to disprove a theory, in order to test its reliability.

    But - and it's a big but, as Jersey has said. It does not describe how or why phenomena happens. Ultimately it is a reductionist tool, but doesn't give us any reason why things are the way they are.

    It has been said that it is as ludicrous to believe that the universe sprang up, out of nothing, for no reason - as it is to suggest that it was created by God.......
     
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  18. Erik

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    clap·trap/&#712; klap&#716;trap/
    Noun: Absurd or nonsensical talk or ideas
     
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  19. PINKIE

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    An apt description of your contributions <ok>
     
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  20. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Did PISKIE pick her toenails in Poughkeepsie?

    Name the movie. I dare ye.
     
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