Why would stating facts be classed as defending anyone? The London bombings happened after we invaded Afghanistan so if Boris is saying we've had no attacks since, then he's the one peddling the bullshit not me. I'm simply pointing out that there were none before we invaded so the government trying to sell it as a success on that basis is also bullshit.
Like I said you are being pedantic. Fact remains, there were attacks across Europe and around the world, orchestrated by al-Qeada, who had a stronghold on Afghanistan but for some reason you overlook that, strange to say the least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_activities_in_Europe They already showed their capabilities in the 9/11 attack. So argument could be we were not the instigators of war but al-Qeada were. How much destruction should we have allowed before we went in.
I agree we should never have gone into Iraq, but fact remains we did, and no matter how much I hate Tony Blair, no matter how much I'm disgruntled by America, I still never forget al-Qeada are terrorists and what they did to London was abhorrent.
Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. on 9/11 not us. The U.S. were more than capable of doing what they needed to without us. But we chose to get involved. Any attacks by Al-Qaeda after the invasion whether here or in Europe only goes to show Boris et al are chatting ****. If the government want to polish a turd with spin I'll laugh at them.
Nice to see you crying tears for the people killed in the London Bombings. As I said you were defending terrorists and still are, others will not speak out but I will, the only one polishing turds is you. But Boris or something
Everything you've just said is what you've brought up not me. I'm not defending any terrorists. I'm calling out this government for chatting bullshit and everything you posted ironically confirms it.
Yeh not sure what that means, but we're not the only ones in NATO yet were the only ones who invaded with the U.S. Other countries became involved later and took a lesser role. It's separate to my initial post about the government's statement anyway but seeing as it's been raised, my problem here is it seems we want to jump in full force and pander to the U.S. like the proverbial lap dogs we're perceived to be. And then when the **** hits the fan, end up bearing the brunt of the fall out.
You're not denouncing them either, it's been very noticeable throughout this thread. Probably the second seperate ocassion I've raised this topic with you.
That's not true, though. Here's one example involving multiple countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anaconda Canada, Australia, Germany and France were involved in quite a lot of it.
Oh give over brb, so now I have to denounce terrorism in my posts? Tbh I've never given it a second thought because it's a given, like anyone who posts on here, UNLESS they specifically say something that supports terrorist actions which I never have. I have no problem denouncing it - Al-Qaeda are murderous scum. Like I said, I thought that was a given. But if you like I'll add it to my sig as well
It does say, This operation was the first large-scale battle in the post-2001 War in Afghanistan since the Battle of Tora Bora in December 2001. Like I said, we made sure we were the major force with the U.S. very prominent in the initial invasion.
Germany were involved in the Battle of Tora Bora, if you follow the link. They had some rows with America over their refusal to murder random shepherds. The biggest thing that I remember from the initial invasion was air and sea support. That and the use of special forces/intelligence assets.
Git I don't remember you raising it the first time btw but it did make me think. I try to call out anyone involved in this **** show without making it political. Whatever I may say about Boris, Biden, Blair, Bush etc I want you to know that in no way supports or condones the vile, murderous actions of Al-Qaeda, ISIS or even the Taliban if they show themselves to be that. I am hoping, perhaps naively or desperately for the sake of the milions of innocent folk who live there, that the Taliban do shift in their backward thinking. That somehow where they are now is very different to where they were after a 10 yr war with Russia and a 6/7 yr civil war.
I guess, well I know, sometimes i just misread context, so then ending up reading the same thing several times, and probably still read it wrong or am confused to where the person is coming from - so then I end up questioning it face on, suppose it's the only thing I know to do, if in doubt challenge it. I tend to piss a lot of people off doing that. I don't mean it to be confrontational, but I understand why it can seem that way. As I've said many times, I've got a great dislike forever being drawn into this mess, and also a massive distrust of the Americans, but all said and done, I will always put my country first.
Well, rural countries tend to get impacted less... But other than that, it's probably like Russia early in the pandemic. Officially Russia was saying they didn't have COVID for quite a while, but their hospital deaths were up 20% from the previous year. And China,.we know China has been fudging their numbers all along to appear like they're less impacted than they are. In Afghanistan, theres probably no duplicity going on, it's just that noone is counting the sick very well.
I think the Taliban have a different approach to the UK if they have covid in afghanistan. Just for being British you're dead, so if they happen to have covid, that becomes a secondary condition, rather than the primary condition. Happy to help.
