Off Topic Afghanistan

[Angelicnumber16]

And that's the irony. Since Brexit we now have less power to return illegals/asylum seekers to the continent than we had before. And we had lots of powers while in the EU that would have made it more difficult for people to move here, that we never used and never had the political appetite to use. It was all a lie, as of course some of us knew, and are seeing now.

But aside from that, I saw a video from Rory Stewart yesterday saying about the number of troops that we station in South Korea (can't remember the exact number now). If we have the resource to do that, then why the heck did we not have the resource to station 2,000 or so for longer in Afghanistan? It required minimal resource (in the grand scheme of things) and until recently it was relatively low risk (no deaths in a good few years). And it would have kept relative peace and no immediate terrorism risk.

I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist but Julian Assange always said the Afghan war is never a war that is meant to be won, it is a war that is meant to go on indefinitely, as a means to channel funds. It does almost feel as if we (i.e. our political establishment) almost wanted this crap to happen.

We need to withdraw from the EU agreement to start governing our own borders. With the help of the armed forces, Border Force and all, there is no possible reason why we can't prevent these dinghies entering British waters to start with. Another suggestion made which I thought was interesting was the use of radar from Kent to the French coast which is quite capable of picking up even small craft, and as soon as one it detected we alert the French who can intercept before any craft is a mile or less from shore. Of course the French could spend some of the near £100m we given them and cut out the middle man, but they have no incentive to do so.
As for Afghanistan, and bearing in mind it was American led to start with, if the senile old man pretending to be the US President used any of his remaining grey matter, he and his advisors would have known that doing this the way they have was a mistake of monumental proportions (even for the US military, who have a long and impressive record of screwing things up at this level) and that's without the billions of dollars of kit, weapons and ammunition that's basically been left behind and given to the Taliban for free to use against the west to the cost of the average American tax payer. Companies such as Lockheed and Boeing will now make even more money when the US military asks them for replacements !
The Taliban can impose sharia law over the country and maybe there will be some stability and women may not be subjected to the horrors of before 2000, but it wont stop hot headed young idealistic and brainwashed Taliban individuals or smaller groups carrying out atrocities against their own people and us, given half a chance.
The average age of the Afghan population right now is just 18 years old. Think about that for a second.
That is due to the ongoing conflict, Afghan women having larger families, a shorter overall life expectancy and such like. Here it is 40 !
People of 18 years old don't always make rational decisions

 

[Jiffie]

Well if there was any doubt before and at the risk of saying "I told you so", that electing an obviously sick old man was ever going to end well?

People say Biden has blood on his hands over the ISIS k attack yesterday. I say his family, advisors and the whole of the Democratic party have blood on their hands for allowing him to run for the presidency, he is totally unfit mentally.

I can forgive the voters because a high proportion of Americans don't know **** from pudding (although they obviously eat a lot of pudding).

He surely cannot be allowed to carry on much longer? I suspect the death of 13 American soldiers will send his approval rating far below that Trump's ever was.

Shame on you the Biden family and the Democrat party.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Well if there was any doubt before and at the risk of saying "I told you so", that electing an obviously sick old man was ever going to end well?

People say Biden has blood on his hands over the ISIS k attack yesterday. I say his family, advisors and the whole of the Democratic party have blood on their hands for allowing him to run for the presidency, he is totally unfit mentally.

I can forgive the voters because a high proportion of Americans don't know **** from pudding (although they obviously eat a lot of pudding).

He surely cannot be allowed to carry on much longer? I suspect the death of 13 American soldiers will send his approval rating far below that Trump's ever was.

Shame on you the Biden family and the Democrat party.

The voters were like sheep in that last election...sucked in on the Bandwagon from the Anti-Trump brigade.....as did many here!!
A loose cannon that should have kept his mouth shut on occasions, but the best America had to offer IMO at the time.. Economy thrived, getting to grips with law and order and no wars started in his reign......but the blurry eyed voted him out.......worrying!

 

[invermeremike]

Trump was never going to solve any problems unless it padded his bank account or his twitter following. Blaming Biden for the mess is totally out of order when he, like someone else we know, created the problem and he was left to clean up the mess. Quite frankly nobody, especially the U.S. and the U.K., should have tried to create harmony when the people of that country are totally incapable of running a democratic system due to religious differences.

If you truly think Trump is anything other than an arse then I suggest you should look deeper in to how he treated his closest neighbour and trade ally (Canada) when he insulted our prime minister and nation by his antics and rudeness during a G something conference. Make America Great again should be translated to Make Trump richer and more obnoxious. Although I will agree Biden is not cutting the mustard the mere thought of the jerk returning sends shivers up the backs of most Canadians.

 

[Jiffie]

Trump was never going to solve any problems unless it padded his bank account or his twitter following. Blaming Biden for the mess is totally out of order when he, like someone else we know, created the problem and he was left to clean up the mess. Quite frankly nobody, especially the U.S. and the U.K., should have tried to create harmony when the people of that country are totally incapable of running a democratic system due to religious differences.

If you truly think Trump is anything other than an arse then I suggest you should look deeper in to how he treated his closest neighbour and trade ally (Canada) when he insulted our prime minister and nation by his antics and rudeness during a G something conference. Make America Great again should be translated to Make Trump richer and more obnoxious. Although I will agree Biden is not cutting the mustard the mere thought of the jerk returning sends shivers up the backs of most Canadians.

This isn't about Trump it's about the fact that so many people could see that Biden was not a well man and yet his family and the Democrats still allowed him to run for the presidency. It is a disgrace.

Biden is no different when it comes to lining his pocket, maybe you should google his dodgy dealings?, as has been said on this thread the plan was to pull out in September when the Afghan winter had bitten to give the Afghan army a chance to consolidate their position.

The man bullshitted about the Taliban not being a threat and exacerbated that bullshit with further bullshit about ISIS not being active in Afghanistan and now American soldiers have been killed along with innocent individuals and that is 100% down to him and the people who allowed him to run.

 

[invermeremike]

I will agree that Biden is looking very weak on all fronts but you must admit he was left little by the traitor who organized a close encounter with treason. The entire line up of American politicians stinks out their system no matter what party is in power because they are all in it for the money and nothing else. Who said what and when is always open to personal taste but the nutshell is that Afghanistan will continue to suffer as long as the rest of the world sits by and watches. Many have tried to help them but quite frankly their divide is bigger than the Grand Canyon and until such time as the population helps themselves all others should keep away.

 

[Jiffie]

I will agree that Biden is looking very weak on all fronts but you must admit he was left little by the traitor who organized a close encounter with treason. The entire line up of American politicians stinks out their system no matter what party is in power because they are all in it for the money and nothing else. Who said what and when is always open to personal taste but the nutshell is that Afghanistan will continue to suffer as long as the rest of the world sits by and watches. Many have tried to help them but quite frankly their divide is bigger than the Grand Canyon and until such time as the population helps themselves all others should keep away.

I am very sorry I am not swallowing the tripe about a man almost certainly suffering the early signs of dementia being ok because he is not Trump. This a man in charge of the most powerful nation on earth FFS.

Biden has blamed Trump, he has blamed the Afghan army, he has blamed his military leaders and he has blamed his intelligence services. He had more than enough information to wait another 6 weeks or so to withdraw but ignored all of that advice to withdraw NOW and he bullshitted about the fact that the Taliban would never take over the country YEAH RIGHT, he bullshitted about ISIS not being Afghanistan YEAH RIGHT and worst of all he said he was withdrawing to save American soldiers lives YEAH RIGHT, no Americans have died in Afghanistan for 18 months and his actions have seen 13 die in one fell swoop.

He is unfit to govern full stop and my cynical side tells me that was the plan all along use him to gain power and then let his deputy take over and then watch out she is dangerous another liberal nutbar like the president of Canada IMHO.

 

[invermeremike]

Oh dear Jiffie, Canada does not have a president as you probably well know. Anyway can we stop this Biden bashing and move on to more palatable discussions. There are always things more important than The Excited States of America.

 

[Jiffie]

Oh dear Jiffie, Canada does not have a president as you probably well know. Anyway can we stop this Biden bashing and move on to more palatable discussions. There are always things more important than The Excited States of America.

Biden bashing? give me a break, the bloke is ill and being set up and used and his family and the Democrats are orchestrating it, it’s sick. This whole withdrawal has been an unmitigated disaster, once he’s gone he’ll be the patsy for this and the new leader will have clean hands, just wait until Isis starts attacking America as it undoubtedly will, he has opened Pandora’s box and the world will pay a high price.

 

[Jiffie]

There are always things more important than The Excited States of America.

Is there anything more important than our safety from terrorism? the world is now a far more dangerous place, the UK has moved to it's highest terror level in years.

As a son, brother, father, grandfather, great grandfather, uncle, cousin and friend, safety is the most important thing to me and now we sit and wait for the next terrorist attack because of his brain addled incompetence and the machinations of the liberal left, whose best argument is Biden isn't Trump.

What a f****** mess and the ignorant twat was even looking at his watch when the 13 dead American marines were returned to American soil after his ill timed, ill structured withdrawal. The suggestion is that the early withdrawal was too save American soldiers lives, especially with the 2022 mid term elections coming up, brilliant, that really went well Joe, 13 killed in the chaos that you caused but none in the past 18 months.

If the American people have any sense at all (sometimes debatable) they will kick the democrats asses in the those elections.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Biden is uncoherent, unstable and totally unfit to be the leader of the free world

He is an embarrassment to his country and the whole globe, and the likes of Russia and China must think they've won the lottery looking at this old buffoon who can't even answer questions and turns his back on people whilst having given up access to the worlds supplies of Lithium that China will now mine and make trillions of pounds out of.
The only person with lower approval ratings than Biden at the moment is his severely disliked Vice President, Kamala Harris, who seems to disappear into thin air every time there is an issue at home or abroad.
The Democrat Party including the likes of the vile Nancy Pelosi, the several Muslims in Congress who openly admit they hate America and the likes of Maxine Waters, Hilary Clinton and Obama should all be investigated for misuse of public money for their own gain. The military have spent the last 6 months looking for white supremasists in their ranks and are so woke that they have completely balls Afghanistan up and that's without the billions of dollars of weaponary they've left behind in their quest to run away.
Under Trump this would have been done in a proper fashion with US and UK citizens and other civilians evacuated before the military exited. The logic and scale of the mistakes and avoidable loss of life is stupendous and their actions have put the whole free world at risk from a new wave of terrorism.
Their whole country has gone to the dogs with the cancel culture, BLM and Antifa. Telling kids of 4 and 5 to touch themselves and discover their sexuality whilst at school is just disgraceful as is the teaching of critical race theory.
And the latest to jump on the bandwagon with all this nonsense ????
Knickerless Virgin and the SNP in Scotland. She is another dangerous megalomaniac

 

[Jiffie]

Biden is uncoherent, unstable and totally unfit to be the leader of the free world

He is an embarrassment to his country and the whole globe, and the likes of Russia and China must think they've won the lottery looking at this old buffoon who can't even answer questions and turns his back on people whilst having giving up access to the worlds supplies of Lithium that China will now mine and make trillions of pounds out of.
The only person with lower approval ratings than Biden at the moment is his severely disliked Vice President, Kamala Harris, who seems to disappear into thin air every time there is an issue at home or abroad.
The Democrat Party including the likes of the vile Nancy Pelosi, the several Muslims in Congress who openly admit they hate America and the likes of Maxine Waters, Hilary Clinton and Obama should all be investigated for misuse of public money for their own gain. The military have spent the last 6 months looking for white supremasists in their ranks and are so woke that they have completely balls Afghanistan up and that's without the billions of dollars of weaponary they've left behind in their quest to run away.
Under Trump this would have been done in a proper fashion with US and UK citizens and other civilians evacuated before the military exited. The logic and scale of the mistakes and avoidable loss of life is stupendous and their actions have put the whole free world at risk from a new wave of terrorism.
Their whole country has gone to the dogs with the cancel culture, BLM and Antifa. Telling kids of 4 and 5 to touch themselves and discover their sexuality whilst at school is just disgraceful as is the teaching of critical race theory.
And the latest to jump on the bandwagon with all this nonsense ????
Knickerless Virgin and the SNP in Scotland. She is another dangerous megalomaniac

One thing is absolutely nailed on, the world is a far more dangerous place because of that buffoon Biden, well done Joe and it only took you less than a year, some achievement and the best ringing endorsement of Biden is, he isn't Trump.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

One thing is absolutely nailed on, the world is a far more dangerous place because of that buffoon Biden, well done Joe and it only took you less than a year, some achievement and the best ringing endorsement of Biden is, he isn't Trump.

A lot of people are saying there are few real Biden supporters, just lots and lots of Trump haters and that speaks volumes about the situation.

You also have to look at the way that the likes of Twitter and Facebook operate where they grant accounts to the leader of the ****ing Taliban and yet have the power to silence the former president of the United States !!

Trump was certainly on to something when he kept on about fake news, and I truly believe that there was a massive and deliberate election fraud that went on to unseat him, along with trying to frame him alone for the 6th January events at the Capitol Building, when there is evidence that some Democrats dressed up as Trump supporters.
This is the same Capitol Building who's security at the time of the issues was the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi, who strangely enough is also heading up the investigation into what happened. So another whitewash is basically assured. They are all poisonous, and as for Hunter Biden, well that's another unsavoury character if there ever was one.
There are also stories suggesting possible links between the likes of Oprah Winfrey, the Clintons, Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein/Ghislane Maxwell and the supply of underage girls to various high ranked people. But it will probably all be hushed up and the guilty will get away with it as usual.

 

[Jiffie]

Todays excuse for the suicide bomb "the Brits left gate open" FFS, I can't wait to see who gets the blame for the f****d drone attack.

 

[realred1952]

they left a lot of stuff, chinnok's trucks armoured vehicles etc behind … but said none were serviceable … hopefully they left them with a surprise....!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

A lot of people are saying there are few real Biden supporters, just lots and lots of Trump haters and that speaks volumes about the situation.

You also have to look at the way that the likes of Twitter and Facebook operate where they grant accounts to the leader of the ****ing Taliban and yet have the power to silence the former president of the United States !!

Trump was certainly on to something when he kept on about fake news, and I truly believe that there was a massive and deliberate election fraud that went on to unseat him, along with trying to frame him alone for the 6th January events at the Capitol Building, when there is evidence that some Democrats dressed up as Trump supporters.
This is the same Capitol Building who's security at the time of the issues was the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi, who strangely enough is also heading up the investigation into what happened. So another whitewash is basically assured. They are all poisonous, and as for Hunter Biden, well that's another unsavoury character if there ever was one.
There are also stories suggesting possible links between the likes of Oprah Winfrey, the Clintons, Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein/Ghislane Maxwell and the supply of underage girls to various high ranked people. But it will probably all be hushed up and the guilty will get away with it as usual.

Trump was a threat to the nutters of society IMO, hence why he was ousted out.....
When it happened, it was plain to see, it wasn't going to end well. But it takes so long for most of the brain dead to comprehend exactly what they're left with......They were warned, but were too busy latching onto the Ant-trump bandwagon farce, or media brainwashing distractions such as BLM that were deliberately set up to remove him from power...Even North Korea are looking to Kick off again restarting its Yongbyon nuclear reactor.......not going well is it?