4th Benfica
7th Wigan
9th Fulham
15th Spurs
Possible CL Semi
21st Arsenal
Possible CL Semi
29th QPR
Aah...poor Chavlets!
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4th Benfica
7th Wigan
9th Fulham
15th Spurs
Possible CL Semi
21st Arsenal
Possible CL Semi
29th QPR
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Sky seem to think the 1st leg of CL semi final will be on the Wednesday and before our game u got 6 days to recover.
Isn't everyone playing on the 7th & 9th
Don't know what they're moaning about.
The day they realise it was their own fans that caused these tragedies will be the day they can stop acting like they need to bring these things up for everyone else to deal with.
Am sick of football and its habit of choking the fuk out of tragedies when every single bloody day of our lives we dont bat an eye lid at white collar genocide taking place in our world in 2012.
and i found it quite an eye rolling experience followed by a few yawns when all i heard all bloody night from the Bolton fans was 'Fabrice Muamba' i was glad to send them packing with a footballing lesson...now i hope they can get on with the rest of life and Muamba ca be left to recover or he and the rest of the circus will start looking pathetic i my eyes very soon.
Are you talking about Hillsborough? If so, that was not their fault, that was down to piss-poor policing.
i have a very good friend who lives in Hillsborough...who on many occasions recalls that day and says as a local she and others were terrorised by pissed up mousers running in and out of pubs instigating fights..and it is the same idiots who decided to suffocate their own fans...by policing if you mean they these same pissed up mousers should have been controlled then..yes they should have but the police wouldnt have to do that if they could behave civilised and only turn up if they had tickets like the majority of the world do when it comes to events...i ultimately will always blame the idiots who ventured into the ground without reason....fake ticket mousers knew they were fake..regardless of what they say....im far too long in the tooth to think that they are innocent in all this.
however i dont want to go totally off topic as that can be annoying for the OP..and rightly so.
however i dont want to go totally off topic as that can be annoying for the OP..and rightly so.
That's harsh - pointing out that eyewitness testimony from their own fans makes note of people without valid tickets getting access to the ground, or those without tickets climbing over the turnstyles to get in.
Similar things happened in the following matches:
European Cup final, Heysel, 1985
Champions League final, Istanbul, 2005
Champions League final, Athens, 2007
There were attempts to blame the police for each of those three, or in the case of the first example, their board made out "southern accents" were heard so it was actually Chelsea fans that rushed the Juve fans.
I'd look at it another way - the habit this country has of being unable to go a week without some anniversary to the Second World War, to the point that one week we have the 65th anniversary of VE Day, and a few weeks later its the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain starting, which has led to the problem this country has of being unable to hold a cup final without having some form of military involvement paraded in front of the fans before kick-off, which looks more like the Eastern Blok of the mid-70s than the Western world of the 21st century.
I've no idea what that says, but our FA cup semi is the Sunday the 15th, the CL Semi 1st leg is Tuesday the 17th. I agree this is hypothetical at the moment having still to finish off Benfica, but thats what they're moaning about, the prospect of it.
Very harsh. I don't normally go for clichés but one I happen to believe it goes something like 'those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'. I would suggest that there have been few 'just wars' in history, but this countries role in the Second World War was just and right. My father fought during the war so it is particularly poignant to me, I have a military connection myself of lesser merit that I'm not going to go into here. A particularly important point to remember about WW2 was that it was not fought in the main by regular military forces and involved most people in the country to a more or less extent. Believe me I'm not militaristic but I think commemorations relating to WW2 are valid and should continue to be made especially as it is starting to pass out of living memory. Indeed (and please understand I'm not criticising you here mr croydon), I think people need to put some of the more recent 'tragedies' in perspective with the suffering experienced during the war, because frankly nothing is on anything like the same scale.
To that Vimhawk. Remember too, we have men and women putting themselves in harms way at this very moment. They especially need to know, (as well as the people who lived though WWII and are still with us) that we honour people that put their lives at risk for us and will continue to do so. It has nothing to with millitarism and everything to with gratitude.
If it was about gratitude, why doesn't it apply to all past conflicts? There were not 70th, 80th or 90th anniversaries for the First World War when the combatants were still alive, just as there was hardly a peep about the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar a few years back.
As for personal opinion of thoise who participated, my grandfather participated in WWII and he was thoroughly sick of the never-ending anniversaries, going as far to say that the 50th anniversary of VE Day was the perfect time to draw a line under it and move on. Instead, the exact opposite has happened.
It's not just 1939-45 that has been enshrined and adulated over, either - the same can be said of 1966. There was hardly a mention of it around the time of the 1990 tournament, yet twenty years down the line some of the coverage spent more time talking about Moore, Banks and Hurst than any of the teams in the tournament that weren't England or Brazil, whilst you just have to look at Liverpool's increasingly mental supporters to see that there's a tipping-off point where it stops being nostalgia and becomes an unhealthy obsession which has nothing to do with passing down memories from one generation to the next and starts to take on more cult-like overtones.
there are still w w one anniversaries,ie; the Canadians hold one every year for their famous Vimy ridge battle
Commemorate WW1? How about armistice day, that originally stemmed from the first world war and has morphed into remembrance Sunday.
Are you arguing that because the system isn't perfect we shouldn't commemorate anything? The fact is we can have an anniversary of something for WW2 with some of the veterans still being around to attend. It makes the thing much more personal for most of those looking on. Now as a purist I'd like to think that we can remember all these things equally, and make a really big thing of remembrance day but sadly that ain't going to happen. In fact we're more likely to have remembrance of things much more immediate, like the 7/7 bombings etc. The point is that in a society where you get a three minute silence for that, as opposed to a two minute silence for everyone that died in the world wars and other conflicts on Remembrance Sunday, on top of a general ignorance of history, you'll always fighting a losing battle. So basically I welcome any anniversary I get, because it keeps in the public consciousness a sense of history and sacrifices that others made, because thank goodness the nation (probably) won't have to again on that scale. And no it isn't perfect and there may even be elements of an 'unhealthy obsession' you mention, but I'll accept that if it means people remembering the past. The modern world is far too focussed as it is on the immediate and short term as it is, and I would argue that is *far more unhealthy* than anything to do with these anniversaries you are worrying about.
Is there an constant string of anniversaries for the first day of the Somme, or for the Battle of Jutland, or every other significant event of the First World War? No, there isn't - which makes the suggestion that we should because WWII veterans are still alive redundant, as the same couldn't be said for WWI veterans on anniversaries of every key date.
That's either giving far too much credit to the British legion, or not enough to the UN...
I certainly never thought this thread would become embroiled in a debate about rememberance, de-railed or what? I'm sorry guys but I'd like to draw a line under that one now, enough's enough. 