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A63 shut for the West Ham game/Boundary change debate

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by originallambrettaman, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    It's debatable, and I can see it both ways.

    In my view, as nobody has commented on the party colour of the administrations, but on their effectiveness and the issues associated with the areas, it's still non-political as such, but I'll stand corrected, and I don't even wear surgical boots.
     
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  2. NorthFerribyTiger

    NorthFerribyTiger Well-Known Member

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    Where are the politics other than where people start slagging off certain councillors (which I agree is political)
     
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  3. renegadetiger

    renegadetiger Well-Known Member

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    ERYC were invited by HCC to discuss the proposal with them and declined the invitation.
     
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  4. originalminority

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    We are not talking about rural communities around Driffield we are talking about suburban communities immediately outside the city boundary.
     
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  5. renegadetiger

    renegadetiger Well-Known Member

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    Beverley isn't part of the proposal, and I don't think Driffield is either.

    On a more basic level, suggesting that places such as Hessle, Anlaby and Willerby are not (effectively) part of Hull in a geographical sense is clearly ludicrous.

    It should also be pointed out that the proposal as it stands does not do away with East Riding Council, it merely recommends looking at the possibility of combining SOME services if it is deemed to be (a) cost effective and (b) to the benefit of all.

    The only people that seem to have a problem with it are those who clearly haven't researched what the proposal IS.
     
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  6. NorthFerribyTiger

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    Yes because they do not feel there is any need for change in a well run & actually quite popular top performing authority, like I said it's not broken so no need to fix it (the ERYC that is)
     
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  7. renegadetiger

    renegadetiger Well-Known Member

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    To decline to attend the meeting is ridiculous whichever way you slice it. Would you be happy knowing they may have been able to identify ways to IMPROVE their service to you and others, but decided they couldn't be bothered to even listen to what the proposal was? "Well run" appears to be debatable in this instance. Increasing the footprint of "Hull" would potentially bring huge financial benefit to the WHOLE region.
     
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  8. Chilton's Hundreds

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    Mmmm. It seems we can post about the local referendum but not the other one.

    The apparent double standards might piss off some people but TBH, it doesn't bother me. I can toddle off and post my opinions on other economic/political forums where football banter is banned :laugh:

    Just my view.....
     
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  9. renegadetiger

    renegadetiger Well-Known Member

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    It's clearly a political discussion, though as we are all grown-ups I'm sure we can cope.
     
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  10. NorthFerribyTiger

    NorthFerribyTiger Well-Known Member

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    No the 4 proposals are

    1) Create one massive authority to combine HCC with ERYC (hence the Driffield/Beverley comment)
    2) Keep both but combine Planning, Tourism & Economic Development departments
    3) Extend HCC boundary to include the city travel to work area (inc areas in 4 plus Ferriby, Brough)
    4) Extend HCC boundary to encompass the contiguous built up area (inc Anlaby, Cott, Willerby, Hedon etc)
     
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  11. NorthFerribyTiger

    NorthFerribyTiger Well-Known Member

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    But one is about Hull, the other clearly isn't <nahnah>
     
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  12. Cityswall

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    4 makes perfect sense.
     
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  13. renegadetiger

    renegadetiger Well-Known Member

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    Forgive me, you are correct, one of the options is to combine the two authorities.

    There are five options, not four.
     
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  14. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    While this discussion remains about the pros/cons of a local issue that effects many on here and doesn't split down party political lines, then I think it's okay to continue.
     
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  15. originalminority

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    NorthFerribyTiger you are being very inward looking and parachial to think this is just about local aurthorities.

    It is also about the wider perception of our region where a tight city boundary has an unfair detrimental effect.
     
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  16. NorthFerribyTiger

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    Not for me, it's about services being provided by an authority in the top 10% performing in the country rather than the mess that is the bones of it's financial arse HCC which is trying an asset/land grab to try to bolster it's dwindling coffers....the general perception of the East Riding is very good (can't say the same about Hull I agree)
     
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  17. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think there's any doubt that the boundary change would massively benefit Hull and I doubt it would actually make a massive amount of difference to those who fell within the new boundaries, but it's fairly obvious that they're going to fight tooth and nail against it anyway.
     
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  18. NorthFerribyTiger

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    It may not have a massive difference to us, but any difference would be for the worse not better & the reason why everyone I have spoken to in Ferriby & Brough at least are strongly opposed to it. Silly as it sounds a postal address of East Riding of Yorkshire with no mention of Hull certainly makes a house more attractive to buyers & thus help keep property values higher
     
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  19. DMD

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    That's highly debatable. Many of the services in the East Riding are substandard compared to those in Hull. Also, if the Hull boundary was changed so that national figures were comparing like for like, Hull's reputation would improve, bringing greater investment into the area.

    The East Riding benefit from the services that exist because of Hull.

    What the East Riding are good at is providing the figures Government want, but that certainly doesn't equate to a better service, either on efficiency or customer satisfaction grounds.
     
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  20. NorthFerribyTiger

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    Please tell me what wonderful services I receive free from Hull City Council ?

    I'm sure that HCC residents will be in favour of expanding boundaries with the promise that it may help them out of the fiscal black hole they are in...it may also help bring up the overall statistics for things like Education

    So far I cannot think of a single service I receive which could be better provided by HCC & therefore remain 100% against any proposal to expand the boundaries which currently exist
     
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