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A Tale Of Two Cities. Nottingham / Leicester.

Discussion in 'Leicester City' started by IAMJOHNFALLEN, May 3, 2013.

  1. Proud Fox

    Proud Fox Well-Known Member

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    Why wouldnt they trust Nigel

    Sven spunked over 10M and only had Kasper Schmeichel to show for it

    Nigel has spent just less then that now and has Drinkwater, Marshall, Morgan, De Laet, James, Wood and Knockaert,
     
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  2. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ...
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    ... at the risk of being both accused of fickleness and negativity ... here goes

    ... I don't think that it is a question of the quantum of money itself - our owners enabled Sven to table a £7million for Jelavic - so it's not a question of the risk of squandering ... they will back the manager -that has been proven (FFP concerns aside for now).

    ... but the more you have to pay to compete in the Prem the more chance that it will be for 'established' players rather than young / emerging talents - quite often that comes hand in hand with such players having their own 'opinions' some would say 'egos' ...

    I suspect you know where I'm going with this ... one of my prime reasons for being unconvinced by NP (mentioned on several occasions for the avoidance of doubt and the 'fickle' label being touted again) is that he seems to find 'managing' that type of individual particularly difficult ...

    AKCJ terms it 'man management' and 'motivational skills' ... and it is also why TheLegendJockWallace makes a moot point - and a possibility that, I admit, I hadn't considered ...
     
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  3. LeicesterWizard

    LeicesterWizard Well-Known Member

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    Pearson to me seems like a manager that has respect for players who are at the right wage, the ones hes "fallen out" with are the ones that we can safely assume are on overly inflated wages, im sure NP will be able to manage the bigger players, but only if they are at wages he considers to be reasonable.

    Maybe its also down to commitment, Konch, Nuge and Schmichel are on Sven wages, but may have shown more of an effort than certain others that have been loaned out.
     
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  4. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ...
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    Who knows Wizard, who knows ... but most football managers don't actually negotiate the contracts these days ... they merely tell the board who they would like to bring in and the board will then set the budget and approve - it's then over to the finance guys to negotiate the deal
     
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  5. Lesta Gangsta

    Lesta Gangsta Well-Known Member

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    Agree with your definition fickle but "sides" can refer to all sort of things, including being a supporter of the manager or not. As I said, you claim you never supported Pearson (happy to take you on your word for this) so I wouldn't class you as one of the fickle ones. But I'd also add that the expectations you have placed on Pearson (getting up and staying there) are much easier to ask for than achieve and there's not a single manager I can think of that would guarantee that happening, or even a sure bet of being more successful than Pearson for that matter. God knows we've tried a few.

    I've already talked about Person's achievements in his mere five year career. If you only include trophies as achievements then that's a tad unfair - sometimes you can only work with the tools you are given and in almost every job he's been given (including both jobs with us) he's had a mess to sort out one way or another. I've already talked about this "financial backing" too. There's no evidence whatsoever that he's been offered anything like Sven was, indeed it appears that half his job was to get rid of the bloodsucking wasters Sven signed while making sensible signings of his own (most of whom are worth more now than when they signed).

    Not sure that Man City (or Chelsea if you want to use Di Matteo as another example) are the sensible clubs we should be using as role models to be honest. Dave Jones was at Cardiff years - as much as I rate Pearson I can GUARANTEE that if we don't get promoted next season he won't get three years, let alone five and a bit. Wenger, however, is a manager at a club that spends big and constantly "just misses out" by their standards. But the (real) fans appreciate the bigger picture of what Wenger does rather than just how many trophies they win.

    Totally, totally disagree with your last statement! I owe no loyalty to Pearson whatsoever. I don't know the man personally. I actually find him hard to like personality-wise because of his interviews. Nor am I blindly optimistic. We have a 1/4 chance of the play-offs, that's all. The odds say we won't make it. Nor am I going to put my house on automatic next season (whomever the manager is).

    Nor do I follow all our managers blindly - I hated Holloway's & Megson's appointments, I questioned Sousa from the off and, even though I was pleased that Sven would raise our overseas profile, I was deeply, deeply worried about what that man would do to our club - and with justification it turns out. What none of those men, nor any other managers of recent years, had done was invested in the future of our club, while spending sensibly and AT THE SAME TIME getting us into the best two positions we have been in in the last 10 years. Those to me are the hallmark of a quality, knowledgeable and talented young manager (OK, management team) and I'm sure as Hell not going to allow five or six one-goal defeats (remember Sven lost his job after we got stuffed 3-0 AT HOME - BY MILLWALL!!!) convince me that the other five years of his career were a flop and that he can't possibly take us to where we need to be simply because those defeats happened more recently!
     
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  6. Lesta Gangsta

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    Agree with this. If you have the right attitude to the game Nige will got on with you, whether you're highly paid, highly rated or Messi. The fact that we've improved without those players with attitude shows they're not necessary to the cause. People think Pearson lost the dressing room... Sven lost the dressing room, letting the likes of Beckford, Danns, Mills and St Ledger run wild. Pearson came in and instilled discipline which they didn't like. Things were only going to go one way after that. Shakey has hinted at this many times.
     
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  7. Lesta Gangsta

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    Anything is possible in football. If we get star-struck by another Sven-type it could well happen - but we all know how that ended last time don't we?
     
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