Good morning all,had a great evening with familly,fireworks & bbq food/drink,followed by strictly (yes strictly),so was unable to watch/listen to the match,when i did get to look at the result,i rubed my eyes not once but twice,another beating by a average championship side.But getting back to Whitejocks point Newcastle & Brighton no not 100% but they had consistency,this year Wolves,Sheff Utd,Cardiff not 100% either,but are consistent,yes they will have a bad defeat,but they will bounce back and probably win their next two,none of them will lose six out of eight games at any stage of the season, any of the teams that go up this season will not have a run like that,infact the only teams to have runs like that will be in league one next season.The bottom line is i no longer have asperations of promotion,but just praying we can get out of this rut,avoid relegation and build for next season.only thing that worries me is these four year contracts,as even radz does not have a bottomless pit.
Here’s a genuine question for you all. If we have a 20m warchest, are you happy with Orta being given control of it to spend. Genuine question
It’s not the fans fault. Pretty sure the players are not reading forums and if they are on twitter then more fool them. The ground will only have season tickets in it soon enough so won’t be able to even blame the boo boys they will have disappeared again.
Orta appears to have too much say in things IMO. Remember it was widely tipped that Karanka was going to be our next coach. Like him or not, but he had managed to get Boro promoted from the Championship, so he knew what it took. He threatened to walk out of Boro at one stage before he was eventually sacked. Why? Was there a toxic atmosphere? Was Orta wielding too much control or interfering? TC was a left-field appointment and you could argue is the perfect patsy if it all goes wrong.
Here’s a good read from a top supporter. Part of west of Ireland supporters group and travels to most weekend games “In the past 13 years we have apportioned blame at Ken Bates,G F H Capital,and Massimo Cellini. Now under Andrea Radrizzani and ASSET ownership,the question we should all ask ourselves in the mirror.? Are Leeds United any better off today.? Wolves who bit lower levels than us look likely to have 2 promotions,while we stood still. Watford,Huddersfield,Bournemouth,Crystal Palace and others have moved far ahead of Leeds today.And the trend is not changing. If the system at Leeds is wrong with Orta head of recruitment an issue,and Thomas Christiansen not big enough for the job,then Radrizzani must also take the flax for implementing this new system. And yes am still a fan of Radrizzani. Gerry.”
What with his record thus far,deffinetly a NO,i like most of us not sure where the answer lies,but in my opinion no director of football etc,just a good old fashioned manager with experience of english football,to me (this will ruffle a few feathers) big Sam for me knows english football inside out & has the habbit of getting the best out of ordinary players,but even more important knows a good player/sighning when he sees one,we would certainly have none of these lower seriaB OR Laliga c dross,but hard grafting British players,(yes a mixture of British/continental)then we might seriously,think about promotion. Radz has invested so much off the pitch,so why waste it all at on an average championship side at best.Bottom line is he needs to be ruthless,get rid of Orta/TC and get in big sam to manage the club,and reap the rewards of his investmant in the riches of the premier league.
But there is the contradiction. If Orta had that much influence, his signings Cibicki & Klich would be at least in the squad if not in the team, so TC clearly has the run of the 1st team and clearly doesn't like either. Orta also signed the players that got Boro promoted and you could argue that Karanka is a better coach than TC. So leeds60 is always asking who we could replace TC with, there's my suggestion if we make the change & of course if he and Orta can still work together.
I agree Doc, I'm all for differing opinions, but the amount of negative stuff on here is really depressing. and it's only November.
Radz is a media man, and I'm pretty sure he will have staff tasked to do exactly that - read every forum, tweet and Facebook message the fans post so he has his finger on the pulse and knows what the zeitgeist is at any given time. And you think the players don't read the comments after each YEP article like the rest of us? Get real.
Well hopefully Rad will start listening before he blows the goodwill. If the players need to read how **** they are playing then they are worse than imagined.
It's human nature, course they read them, it's like an actor who knows he's going to get slated by the critics but has to read the papers anyway. Point is, endless whinging and negativity toward players, management and owner is corrosive and not without consequences, even if you claim it is.
You're spot on, Davy. Last u23 match I was at, I had a long chat with the Social Media Manager & the LUTV journalist. I spoke at length with another couple of the media team in Austria. I don't know how many are in the team, but it's not a 1 man band. And they listen. I complained that the u23 fixtures weren't on the website & they said they'd fix it. Sorted now, plus a good bit more than I asked for.
Fine, if people want change each to their own opinion, but keep it real, there is zero chance at this stage of his career that Alladyce will be our manager. 1. He doesn't want to drop down to the championship. 2. We couldn't afford his wages Diss TC all you like but saying we should get 'big sam' is like saying we should also put Pep on the shortlist
Contradiction? I think you might have misread what I said I believe Thomas picks the team but has zero influence on transfers. Boro fans felt Orta had too much of a say in team affairs, I'm assuming by that they mean signings and appointments? I personally can't see a manager or coach with the experience required to get us out of this division willing to step in whilst Orta is making the signings, both players and coaching staff. This is the biggest problem whenever you have a coach and director of football combination, far too many questions and uncertainties. Is it the coach, is it the players? No coaching will make our keepers better. Is Thomas having a sulk about Klitch and Cibicki, is he leaving them out because he is unhappy about not being consulted or are they piss poor in training. Just putting it all out there as none of us really know if it is the coach or the hand he has been dealt, maybe a bit of both. Now though what do you do, bring in a new coach, he is ace and some of us eat humble pie over Ortas signings or he fairs no better and we still wonder if it's the players or the coaches ability? Bit of a divided no win situation.
I only meant the contradiction of how much control Orta has on team selection (none or they'd be in) but when you think about it, the bulk of the starting 11 were here last season, Wood and Taylor we lost but was never going to stop them wanting to join a premier league team, though I'm pretty sure Berardi played LB more often than Taylor. Only new players in regularly are Saiz, Lasogga and Alioski, & please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
