Off Topic A New Low

[Angelicnumber16]

So Radio 1 (does anyone actually listen to it anymore!?) have decided in their wisdom that they wont be playing the proper Fairtytale Of New York any longer by The Pogues and Kirsty McCool as it may offend some thin skinned people. They will instead play an edited version.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54999375

Just pathetic. Those who it might offend must therefore be people who have radios or phones without off buttons if they feel threatened or tearful by it - FFS

Why not just ban Xmas altogether and be done with it ?

 

[BCFCRob]

Can they not just blank out the one word that causes offence?

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Radio 2 will continue to play the full and proper version whilst listening to any complaints from listeners
Radio 1 will play a version where the offending words slut and ***got are omitted or replaced.

The station has decided younger listeners who are unfamiliar with the track would find some of the words stark and not in line with what they would expect to hear on air.
The new edited version alters two lines - one swapped for an alternative version in which MacColl sings "You're cheap and you're haggard" in place of a homophobic slur.
The other one, sung by Shane MacGowan in the second verse, has had a word removed entirely in the new edit.
The track was censored by Radio 1 back in 2007, but that decision was swiftly reversed after an outcry by its fans.
Andy Parfitt, the station's controller at the time, explained the U-turn by saying its audiences were "smart enough to distinguish between maliciousness and creative freedom", and there was no "negative intent behind the use of the words".
This year, Radio 2 said it had considered the issue carefully and would continue to monitor listeners' views, but had decided to continue to play the original.

 

[wings-of-a-crow]

now if shane mcgowan and the wonderful kirsty had only known, to take the knee in the video, those, friggin killjoys would all be happy.... hope somebody pees on their veggie turkey nutroast.








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[Loathsneyd]

To be honest I've done a complete 180 on this. When a few years back this issue first raised it's head I was dead against it but now (at risk of being called a snowflake) I understand the sentiment behind the need to change the lyrics. This is the problem with language and changing values, things that were acceptable in the past are no longer so, like slavery, the name of Guy Gibson's dog and the homophobic slurs in a popular Christmas song.

 

[wizered]

Fairytale of New York
The Pogues
It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you
Got on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you
So happy Christmas
I love you baby
I can see a better time
When all our dreams come true
They've got cars big as bars
They've got rivers of gold
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the old
When you first took my hand
On a cold Christmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me
You were handsome
You were pretty
Queen of New York City
When the band finished playing
They howled out for more
Sinatra was swinging
All the drunks they were singing
We kissed on a corner
Then danced…
The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing Galway Bay
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day
You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy ***got
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last
The boys of the NYPD choir
Still singing Galway Bay
And the bells are ringing out
For Christmas day
I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you
The boys of the NYPD choir

Happy Christmas everybody, if we have one.

 

[Redprintt]

Lewis Hamilton was interviewed on Breakfast TV earlier.
He was asked about people of colour, apparently that's ok.
Yet if he was called coloured all hell breaks loose.
Why ?

 

[Red Squid]

Students at Leicester’s de Montfort university are now demanding the uni changes its name because de Montfort, a devout Christian, was violent to Jews in the12th century. Where will this all end?

 

[Loathsneyd]

Students at Leicester’s de Montfort university are now demanding the uni changes its name because de Montfort, a devout Christian, was violent to Jews in the12th century. Where will this all end?

Probably with new buildings etc not being named after people

 

[BCFCRob]

Sticking to the song though - if you were gay and at Christmas you saw your family belt out "you cheap lousy ***got", would it bother you?

I absolutely get that sometimes PC does go too far and I agree with lots of your examples on it. But I kinda get this one - if you're gay there's a good chance you've been bullied quite a lot in life for it. It's a bit unnecessary when you could just take the word out, and the song still remains as great as it always was.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

It won't end.......England as we knew it, is no longer.....

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Sticking to the song though - if you were gay and at Christmas you saw your family belt out "you cheap lousy ***got", would it bother you?
.

Me......I wouldn't give a flying $hit.............In fact I piss myself laughing...
I have plenty of Italian blood in me and used to get called all sorts at school etc....but with clever comebacks and a chuckle, move on.... ..but hey, us oldies have thicker skin I guess!!!

 

[AshtonRed]

I’d never dream of listening to radio 1, so makes no difference to me, but ffs all this dumming down and political correctness does my head in.

 

[Loathsneyd]

Me......I wouldn't give a flying $hit.............In fact I piss myself laughing...
I have plenty of Italian blood in me and used to get called all sorts at school etc....but with clever comebacks and a chuckle, move on.... ..but hey, us oldies have thicker skin I guess!!!

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[Angelicnumber16]

Lewis Hamilton was interviewed on Breakfast TV earlier.
He was asked about people of colour, apparently that's ok.
Yet if he was called coloured all hell breaks loose.
Why ?

Because he's just a horrible person, and one who loves to play the race (ha ha !) card at every opportunity.
World Champion, record breaker, yeah whatever.
I can't stand him and that's not due to recent events, but from the very start of his career.

 

[BCFCRob]

Me......I wouldn't give a flying $hit.............In fact I piss myself laughing...
I have plenty of Italian blood in me and used to get called all sorts at school etc....but with clever comebacks and a chuckle, move on.... ..but hey, us oldies have thicker skin I guess!!!

Skin so thick that this very topic exists where you're crying over a word being taken out of a song. Snowflakes indeed...

 

[AshtonRed]

Because he's just a horrible person, and one who loves to play the race (ha ha !) card at every opportunity.
World Champion, record breaker, yeah whatever.
I can't stand him and that's not due to recent events, but from the very start of his career.

Strange isn’t it, different perceptions, i really like the guy. All about different opinions

 

[realred1952]

The station has decided younger listeners who are unfamiliar with the track would find some of the words stark and not in line with what they would expect to hear on air.

Shows how PC these aging bigots of radio one, and others are! I cant remember the last time I tuned in Radio 1.
The youngsters of today have their own terminology for the same " meanings / terminology of a lot of our old words" and some more cutting!
I wonder should the "children" be the half dozen offspring of their own suffering family!

I’d never dream of listening to radio 1, so makes no difference to me, but ffs all this dumming down and political correctness does my head in.

sussed it, the stupid old ***gots on RADIO 1 WITH POOR ...VERY POOR VIEWING FIGURES are trying to get attention and maybe gain a listener or maybe 2 maybe even 3!!!

I absolutely get that sometimes PC does go too far and I agree with lots of your examples on it. But I kinda get this one - if you're gay there's a good chance you've been bullied quite a lot in life for it. It's a bit unnecessary when you could just take the word out, and the song still remains as great as it always was.

Morning/afternoon ROB... Pray explain hw removing 1 word from a rarely played song [ except December each year? ] will in any way affect the behavior of a few mindless amoeba's toward gay people?

 

[BCFCRob]

Morning/afternoon ROB... Pray explain hw removing 1 word from a rarely played song [ except December each year? ] will in any way affect the behavior of a few mindless amoeba's toward gay people?

I don't think it will make a difference at all. Just trying to see it from both sides really - until onefor brought out the generational insult for us all .

I think it's probably an overreaction to ban it, but then again does it really affect anyone if it's taken away? I think if you're extremely angry on either side you're probably being a bit snowflakey to be honest. Either way it won't affect any of you day to day.

 

[wizered]

Strange isn’t it, different perceptions, i really like the guy. All about different opinions

I also have to declare I like Louis a lot as well and if he has strong opinions long may he be allowed to shout them, other side of the coin, surely we have the right to hear a song without censorship, if you don't like it, don't listen to it, to be gay is a god given right, we all should know it, let's get on with life but there is a song called Straight down the middle will they want to delete that word for being offensive? it's a nonsense.

Censorship in anything unless directly breaking the law is totally unecessary and an insult to intelligent minded people of any ilk.