here's the thing........ and very serious here. Allen, lallana and so forth and so on...... with respect we are where we are cos he ACCEPT players like this. I agree with Bow, I also agree sadly with Lucaaaas. We are better with allen in the team than allen out.. BUT he's not f'n good enough for a top 4 side and thats just the plain fact of the matter. Lallana is the same...... its crazy to think that people will praise a player like this and make him out to be a 25million player cos he kicked a few balls for england. the reality is if we want to be 1st, or even 4th... well lets face it.... the quality of player required are lacking in our squad badly.... and the signings above... even if you laid them out more chronologically and said ok some of these are bridging players like allen etc.. but the issue at hand is summer 2013 was a total f'n disaster and summer 2014 looks to be equally a disaster zone. Rodgers will in the end pay with it with his job and fallows should be gone immediately. I'd stand by the team i put out above. if those two players were available i feel both would have played. Agger... not fit enough, a wreak but sahko is injury prone, and lovern.... well total disaster under rodgers... maybe another manager could make him very good. Reina.... mingolet is a total and utter disaster zone. after that....... johnson is terrible. The signings above.. all 23.... barring manquillo none are RBs. I find this very strange as rodgers seems to be in utter awe of the man. Benetiz spent 3 years buying players to replace finnan! finnan was such a better player than johnson yet rafa never fancied him. Rodgers seems to love johnson for some reason Skertl... is very weak organizationally and in terms of leadership. but he found a way of playing last year.. which is totally absent this year.... yet he's still no 1 pick. gerrard is completely gone but Rodgers has took til now to realise it... i have no idea why. the moment cl start the restings should have. after that.... well the purcahse of markovic and balotelli represent no semblance of a strategy i can see. 36mil would have bought one really top player.... we got two who don't fit.
Excellent post MITO. No matter who we rate as slightly better than 'miss' that is not enough to get us where we want to be which is not acceptable considering some of the extortionate prices we have been spending on these bit part players. I like us investing in the future but we make them high risk by spending so much on them. It also adds lots of pressure on them to succeed. I also agree that there doesn't appear to be too much of a strategy behind the signings as a whole.
We all have varying opinions on the OP but the only sure thing is that the only true successes out of 212million is sturridge and coutinho. The rest of those could be sold/replaced and I wouldn't lose sleep
That would give Rodgers a 10% hit rate on £212,730,000 mill with £192,230,000 wasted! I think I'm like you in being quite brutal and fed up with squad players who aren't really improving things too much - not enough anyway.
I mean it's one thing goining and filling your academy with teixteria, sterling, Ibe and a few others we actually signed up young and sounding 20 mil on markovic, 7/8 mil on Alberto and ilori.... Now ok we look at Chelsea with 20 lads on loan half to be sold never having seen Chelsea action but seriously we ain't that are we Chelsea bought for thier first team we simply bought aspas last summer FFs.... C'mon!
Not much to say on the topic as its well covered but fair to say its a step above the normal level of threads on the site.
I think as it stands I cannot say we are in any better position than last year in terms of the squad which is criminal That sums it up perfectly. Despite the Suarez cash we are a weaker team. There is some potential but as others on here have said, the management of that potential is an issue. Can could be a big player for us but not if his backside gets no further than the bench. The other criminal act was failing to have a plan in place for Suarez leaving.
Can I suggest that Johnson could be judged to be both Hit and Miss,coz I would love to Hit him the lazy sh*t and certainly won't Miss him when he F***S off.
The winter window rumours are interesting ... jackson martinez 27m agent quotes naming liverpool. Martin montoya no price and no direct quote linking liverpool just a quote saying hes leaving barca in january. Luca antonelli genoa captain quoted as saying hed love to play for liverpool. Borini to Sunderland These are all speculation but if we signed Martinez I feel hed go straight into the hit section. The fault I find with it is ... I doubt Brendan will have that much money in January and the fact we could have had him for 7 or 8 million a few years back.
He's signed some absolute s**te and only 2 of his signings could be considered good business Managers live and die by their signings and despite your 'committee' it's patently obvious that Rodgers was given carte Blanche this summer following the success of last season, and he's royally f**ed it up.
You can suggest it...but you'll have to join the queue Great list and I agree with the majority of ratings. Basically one good window is how we can sum up Rodgers AND the ****ing committee. Even Sturrridge and Coutinho have serious question marks at the moment. Ayre (despite some posters reluctance to admit it) has to take a big chunk of blame too. If you changed some of the names on the list to some of the players we've missed out on we may well have a few more hits on our books. The guy couldn't negotiate a deal at a card game. We spent last summer buying **** all, January pissing about and signed no one which ultimately cost us very dear, this summer flapping round with no plan to replace a guy WE all knew wanted out then flapping around paying way over the odds for second best. I won't go into the team we could have had if Ayre wasn't so hopeless as it was done recently on another thread but throw Mikiterry, Will I An, Remy, Plank etc into this squad and it'd look a damn sight better. The only thing I'd say in Rodgers defence on this is that you can trace our ****ty dealings in the transfer market way back past the start of his reign. We've been a shocking buying club since Rafas time (even under Houillier we had the Le Tallec/Pongolle summer), right through Hodgson then letting Comolli loose with the cheque book. The problem runs much deeper than Rodgers alone. That's not an excuse, his record along with those around him is appalling. Anyone waiting for the signings from the last 3 windows to blossom will have a very long wait, not one of them looks anywhere near top four standard....and won't be for a good while yet (if ever).
Personally, I think the committee and DoF is the way forward. And we need a manager/first team coach who will work with the players he's given. At the moment, I can definitely sense the 'tension' between Rodgers and the committee. Rodgers's latest comments on Balotelli are embarrassing to say the least - he's so quick to drop players he didnt want and criticise them but he refuses to talk about his own signings. I don't see Rodgers changing his ways either - if he can adapt to a new structure, then fine. But if not, then we really need to look for someone else. Almost 100% of the top managers in the game today operate under a sporting director who overseas transfers.
You continually appear to seperate the players signed into 2 pots, players that have been signed by 'committee' and then players that ave been signed by Rodgers. There's nothing but your own subjective opinion behind this declaration, and if the committee model is being used then it'll be for all signings otherwise it would be absolutely inert, as what you're suggesting is that Rodgers somehow circumvented it. Rodgers is the main voice on the committee as he's the manager of the club, so he will hold the ultimate sanction. If he didn't want a player there's no way they'd complete the deal and conversely if there's a player he really wants then he'd be likely to get his way unless there was sound reasons as to why not.
The thing that annoys me with the DOF structure is whether they sign players that the manager is actualy happy with. If I was a manager and was being judged on results, I wouldn't be happy that I was being given players to work rather than choosing them. I just think its so restrictive, and doesn't give the manager full reign to really implement their own system and the types of players he wants. Trouble is without the DOF you need a world class manager, experienced, with a lot of connections. That we do not have, and its not working.
The committee did have the power up until this recent window where Rodgers gained more power as a result of his contract which came from his impressive season last year. So we had the chance to sign Lovren for £8m last season before he moved to Soton but we said no - this is when the committee had the power. Then all of a sudden, we wanted to spend £20m on him this summer. Furthermore, the committee wanted Sakho last summer to play LCB. And then we signed Lovren, another LCB this summer. And you're telling me that Rodgers had the final say on Ballotelli? If he really wanted him, then there is no way he would be constantly criticising Mario in public. There is a power struggle and he's using the media to prove a point on players that have been imposed on him. Another example is Sakho - one mistake and he's dropped. Lovren played so many games and wasn't dropped until recently. Johnson continues to play all the time instead of playing Manquillo who is already twice the player.
The DoF structure is the one that commonly used around Europe and the best teams in the history of the game. In England, we see the 'manager' as the person who controls everything. In other structures, the 'manager' is only a first team coach. His job is purely to coach the players. I think this is a good way because it means the 'manager' focuses purely on coaching the team. He does not need to get involved in other areas. For it to be successful - you need to have an overall strategy and philosophy. The DoF will then recruit players and have a system in place to ensure the new plyers fit the strategy, not the manager. In addition, when the manager leaves, we will then find a similar manager who will slot in to reduce disruption. Look at everything that Capello and Ancelotti have achieved in the game yet they still operate under a DoF. In fact, the best managers in the history have game have operated in that way bar Ferguson and Wenger.
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