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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by rokerparks scoreboard, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. marcusblackcat

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    See I thought we played well at Spurs with 3 at the back. The issue is more with the 3 in front of them than the three at the back system. Rodwell and Bridcutt were awful. Seb was Seb. I'm just worried he goes back to the pointer sisters routine now he realises that Rodwell isn't really much competition for him!

    As said before - Johnson, Giaccherini or Alvarez need to be one of those 3. Catts and Seb the other two IMO.
     
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    Don't think there anything wrong with the new system, I didn't think there was anything wrong with the last one. It was the way it was implemented and the players available which were the problem. Gus abandoned the last system just as all the players who could make it work came back. Now we've got this new one and Gus is playing it too negative. He replaced AJ with Bridcut at home to a championship club<doh>
     
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    I 'm a Briddo fan , but this decision was rank, I hope he has learned from this mistake and never makes it again. The team was OK for the away games we face, but at home against the teams we must beat, never, we have to go for it from the start, or the fans will be justified in turning against him.
     
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    I'm a bridcutt fan too fella, Nowt against any of the CM's on the pitch against fulham, it's the decision to play them all together I think is demented. You echoed all my sentiments fella. That was a 'chelsea away without Catts available' team, not an 'at home to a championship' team
     
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    I don't think tactics in terms of our formation is a problem to be honest.

    I think it's the mentality instilled in the players which looks most worrying.
     
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    3 games in a row now and unbeaten looking more dangerous scoring goals who said it wouldn't work. This isnt me trying to be clever so take it all in good fun
     
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    This^^^^, Gus prefers 4-3-3 but he can't play a strict 4-3-3 with Defoe in the side, so he tinkered with it against Burnley and instructed Wickham to come into the centre when play was on the opposite side. For the most part it worked but I would like to see it again against a better side than Burnley <ok>

    Next home game Bri, watch Gus waving and telling them to get up the field. It looks like it is the two centre backs dictating our deep tactics although O'Shea has the odd forage into the other half <ok>
     
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    We don't play 4-4-2 if that's what you mean mate<ok>
     
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    Weve played 4 4 2 last 3 games burnley game had a twist with whickham but it was 4 4 2 as was yesterday and fulham
     
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    It wasn't mate, it was 4-3-3 with instructions to one of the wide men to get alongside Defoe when the play was on the other flank <ok> Listen to Gus's post Burnley match interview, he explains it perfectly well <ok>
     
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    I stand corrected then the kast 2 have been 4 4 2 then haha
     
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    Sorry mate but they haven't, although I will concede that the current system is a bastardisation of 4-4-2/4-3-3 but we don't have wingers to play 4-4-2 so we use the fullbacks to provide width in a 4-3-3 <ok>
     
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    Not having it i gave u burnley fletcher and graham have partnered defoe last 2 games neither if them can play wide so it was 4 4 2 even motd said so
     
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    On another note we still have catts to come back which will only improve us more
     
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    Well Gus and I will need to agree to disagree with you mate <laugh>
     
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    Haha cant see us playing 4 3 3 with fletcher or graham in the side they cant get up and down as required gus must be confused
     
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    Who our two wide men are in a 4-4-2?

    It was Alvarez and Graham/Defoe alternating with the two full backs getting past them on the flanks, that is 4-3-3.

    Gus admits that he has adapted the system to get someone alongside Defoe because he has to play in a two but he also needs to free the fullbacks for their forward duties that's why he has come up with this formation <ok>
     
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    Ur fullbacks can get forward in a 442 formation ur midfield can cover if needed man utd pnayed 442 with neville and irwin overlapping it worked for them. Wen i think about it regardless of formation its probably defoes movement thats making us more of a threat and the fact our midfield is getting forward more often. Wotever it us i like it
     
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    Spot on about Defoe's movement mate, Funky is right about 4-4-2, you get over run by the oppo playing 5 in the middle which means our fullbacks are pinned back. It is a long time since Neville and Irwin played, the game has changed <ok>
     
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    Spot on, Defoe has forced Gus to tinker with his "system" which was not working , everybody could see this bar him. The point about having two DM's on the pitch means they can work out understandings with our two Full backs or Wing backs, or whatever you call them these days,
    and that would still give us four attacking options, ie three across the pitch supporting Defoe, ie 4 2 3 1, but you need a collective intelligence to play this system and that comes from a settled side, we are getting there.
     
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