27th April 2009

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

Wigan are in the Premier League Supers so you're not comparing like for like. There are other factors of course like the current manager and ownership of any club but I think if it's a choice between Swansea or Aston Villa, that player's going to Villa. Leeds or Hull? Forest or Bristol City? Ipswich or Posh? Sheffield Wednesday or MK Dons?

Not only that but Liverpool have (just) won the League Cup this time around because they've got a man who's hungry for and has experience of winning trophies. There is a vein of experience running through any successful club that they can keep tapping into. Roy Keane chose to do away with that, much to our detriment, but Frans Thijssen has spoken about wanting to come back to coach alongside Patrick Kluivert, so there's another example of how your trophy cabinet and history can help you win on a Saturday

I don't think Ipswich and Norwich are similar in stature, we have a much more impressive heritage. It always amuses me how patronising the national media are towards you... last night's Match Of The Day 2, Colin Murray was full of praise for how Norwich are a credit to the Premier League, what a good job Lambert's done over the last few years... if Town were in a similar position they'd be talking about whether the glory days were coming back to Portman Road and whether we could sneak back into Europe

i laughed out loud when i read this!

the national media are disparaging to both our clubs because of location! last time ipswich were in the premier league i can vividly remember fans moaning that they were never mentioned and that you just wanted some credit where it was due - we currently have the same problem (if it is a problem). you are vastly overestimating what the outside world think of your own club. to the rest of the country, ipswich town are a small provincial club, just like norwich, who once had a decent team under a great manager but are generally thought of as a championship club. you won't find many fans of big clubs wishing ipswich were back in the premier league - you aren't a big club and in all honesty never have been. in fact, i bet if you ask anybody under the age of 30 who the bigger club is, they'd all say norwich because they have grown up with norwich being near the top of the premier league in their memory whilst ipswich have had one season flirting with the upper echelons. my old man supports your lot and even he thinks norwich are marginally the bigger club simply because they have more potential long term - nobody will dispute that ipswich have been more successful cos its there in black and white, but you are living in a dream world if you think that anybody outside the region gives two hoots about that!

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

just to add: i just spoke to a forest fan who is 27 years old and he said norwich are the bigger club. its not a definitive poll but it proves i'm right!!

 

[ncfcpaul]

Wigan are in the Premier League Supers so you're not comparing like for like. There are other factors of course like the current manager and ownership of any club but I think if it's a choice between Swansea or Aston Villa, that player's going to Villa. Leeds or Hull? Forest or Bristol City? Ipswich or Posh? Sheffield Wednesday or MK Dons?

Not only that but Liverpool have (just) won the League Cup this time around because they've got a man who's hungry for and has experience of winning trophies. There is a vein of experience running through any successful club that they can keep tapping into. Roy Keane chose to do away with that, much to our detriment, but Frans Thijssen has spoken about wanting to come back to coach alongside Patrick Kluivert, so there's another example of how your trophy cabinet and history can help you win on a Saturday

I don't think Ipswich and Norwich are similar in stature, we have a much more impressive heritage. It always amuses me how patronisinyourg the national media are towards you... last night's Match Of The Day 2, Colin Murray was full of praise for how Norwich are a credit to the Premier League, what a good job Lambert's done over the last few years... if Town were in a similar position they'd be talking about whether the glory days were coming back to Portman Road and whether we could sneak back into Europe

your like an annoying bluebottle buzzing about the living room on a summers day, why dont you buzz off back to your own board,dont want to hear your ,we are better than you rubbish

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

The truth hurts doesn't it Paul...

Supers, i accept that with what's happened over the last decade that light has dimmed somewhat, what about all those over the age of thirty? You may as well say that British music is all about Simon Cowell and that nothing that came before him happened or mattered. Personally, I beg to differ.

As for Cromer... we also beat United 3-2 at Portman Road at that time.

I'd rather lose 9-0 to United at Old Trafford than 7-1 to Colchester, or Posh for that matter

 

[Carra_Rud]

The truth hurts doesn't it Paul...

Supers, i accept that with what's happened over the last decade that light has dimmed somewhat, what about all those over the age of thirty? You may as well say that British music is all about Simon Cowell and that nothing that came before him happened or mattered. Personally, I beg to differ.

As for Cromer... we also beat United 3-2 at Portman Road at that time.

I'd rather lose 9-0 to United at Old Trafford than 7-1 to Colchester, or Posh for that matter

Yorkie, talk to us about your present team and what your thoughts are about your chances of ever getting into the top league again. You've made me change my boxers once, after p1s5ing myself due to laughing so hard, so you may as well make me do it a second time.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Truthfully Carra.. who knows. We may be down there for another five years, or we may get promoted next season and push on. We do have the nucleus of a good side and a prolific goalscorer which we've not had for over five years so there is something to build on at last.

Same goes for you guys though, you could come crashing back to the Championship with a bump (most likely) or you could finally win some silverware in the next five years...

time will tell

 

[Carra_Rud]

We do have the nucleus of a good side and a prolific goalscorer which we've not had for over five years so there is something to build on at last.

You didn't just say that, did you?!?!

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

but how many players are over the age of 30 yorkie? thats my point - ipswich's successes were too long ago for current players to be affected by them - many of them would see norwich as the bigger club. i'm not trying to have a dig at ipswich - its just common sense

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

just to add: i just spoke to a forest fan who is 27 years old and he said norwich are the bigger club. its not a definitive poll but it proves i'm right!!

I asked fifteen people on the tube on the way into work this morning, a further six in canteen and I've just put the question to the Ukrainian cleaner who has just been round to empty the bins and the unanimous verdict was that yes, Norwich City are a far bigger club than Ipswich

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

I asked fifteen people on the tube on the way into work this morning, a further six in canteen and I've just put the question to the Ukrainian cleaner who has just been round to empty the bins and the unanimous verdict was that yes, Norwich City are a far bigger club than Ipswich

conclusive proof then!

 

[Carra_Rud]

I asked fifteen people on the tube on the way into work this morning, a further six in canteen and I've just put the question to the Ukrainian cleaner who has just been round to empty the bins and the unanimous verdict was that yes, Norwich City are a far bigger club than Ipswich

You spoke to people on the tube?!?! I do hope you knew them.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

but how many players are over the age of 30 yorkie? thats my point - ipswich's successes were too long ago for current players to be affected by them - many of them would see norwich as the bigger club. i'm not trying to have a dig at ipswich - its just common sense

I beg to differ on both counts. The real stand out players: Cresswell and Hyam in particular are youngsters. I think your knowledge of our side is probably a bit out of date. Luke Hyam was born and bred in the Town and you can see it in the way he applies himself.. and you have Russell Osman on the coaching staff, Warky involved with the events and Paul Jewell who was at Liverpool with him, there are statues and images of Bobby Robson and Alf Ramsey and their achievements all around the place; are you trying to tell me that players nowadays don't know who they were?

 

[I_Clean_holtys_boots]

Well I would say that players would be more likely to be attracted to a club like Sheffield Wednesday or Leeds United than a club with no stature so perhaps that's how Supers...

Although you are in similar form, would a player rather join Norwich or Liverpool? Is that down to the trophy cabinet? Yes it probably is

Wrong! Is that why a certain couple of players jumped the sinking ship that is Leeds utd to join our wonderful club including the captain and the Leeds through through jonny howson! Players want premiership football more than playing for some has been club that won the European cup 200 years ago or when ever it was...

 

[Carra_Rud]

I beg to differ on both counts. The real stand out players: Cresswell and Hyam in particular are youngsters. I think your knowledge of our side is probably a bit out of date. Luke Hyam was born and bred in the Town and you can see it in the way he applies himself.. and you have Russell Osman on the coaching staff, Warky involved with the events and Paul Jewell who was at Liverpool with him, there are statues and images of Bobby Robson and Alf Ramsey and their achievements all around the place; are you trying to tell me that players nowadays don't know who they were?

If Lambert wanted Hyam or Cresswell, they would walk up the A140 to join us, and you know it.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

I beg to differ on both counts. The real stand out players: Cresswell and Hyam in particular are youngsters. I think your knowledge of our side is probably a bit out of date. Luke Hyam was born and bred in the Town and you can see it in the way he applies himself.. and you have Russell Osman on the coaching staff, Warky involved with the events and Paul Jewell who was at Liverpool with him, there are statues and images of Bobby Robson and Alf Ramsey and their achievements all around the place; are you trying to tell me that players nowadays don't know who they were?

no no no yorkie! you misunderstood again!!

i'm not talking about your current players who have come through the system! i'm talking about potential players you wish to sign in the future who are youngsters currently. you claimed that a player is more likely to sign for a club who has a history of winning things (albeit only three things) than a team who has won less. this is why i said players over 30 are going to be few and far between and they are the only ones who will remember ipswich winning anything, and even then, if they are early 30s they won't have seen it as they'd be too young! ipswich are not a club with whom 'winning things' is associated - it is to you because you know your club but to 99% of footballers they won't care that they won something more than 30 years ago! all that matters is what they could win and how much they will get and which league they play in. in my opinion, a younger player is more likely to join for example brighton than ipswich. the reasons for this is because brighton are a club on the up. new stadium, great city, exciting young manager. ipswich to a youngster are a slightly run down football club who play in front of a half-full stadium for an uninspiring manager in a town which isn't particularly exciting to them. equally, you could argue that at the moment, a young player is more likely to join norwich than aston villa for a very similar reason. nobody would claim norwich are a bigger club than them but we are an attractive proposition at the moment, more so than villa

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

also, thing is yorkie, you make it sound as if ipswich have been a successful club throughout their history! liverpool have, ipswich have not. they've won three trophies over a twenty year period in their 130-odd-year existence. us city fans know that, as ipswich are a small club, what they achieved was phenomenal really but nobody outside of us or ipswich is going to be particularly impressed with it and it certainly isn't going to make young players join your club over ours for example.

 

[Carra_Rud]

ipswich to a youngster are a slightly run down football club who play in front of a half-full stadium for an uninspiring manager in a town which isn't particularly exciting to them.

I think you're being way too kind there, Supers.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Of course ICHB - Norwich are in the Premier League

At the moment I'd rather join Brighton than Ipswich if I was 20 because Poyet and Taricco are a more exciting proposition than PJ. We've got a fantastic stadium and facilities so I don't think the Amex would be anymore of a draw. Geographically, although Keane used it as an excuse, the location of Ipswich has never been a problem attracting top talent to Portman Road. But in any case the point was that the history and stature of the club IS a factor and can have an ongoing affect on your fortunes. Why else did Lambert jump ship from Colchester to Norwich? At the time you were hopeless, but it was purely down to Norwich being a bigger club with a better pedigree than Colchester (or perhaps you just offered more money?)

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

Of course ICHB - Norwich are in the Premier League

At the moment I'd rather join Brighton than Ipswich if I was 20 because Poyet and Taricco are a more exciting proposition than PJ. We've got a fantastic stadium and facilities so I don't think the Amex would be anymore of a draw. Geographically, although Keane used it as an excuse, the location of Ipswich has never been a problem attracting top talent to Portman Road. But in any case the point was that the history and stature of the club IS a factor and can have an ongoing affect on your fortunes. Why else did Lambert jump ship from Colchester to Norwich? At the time you were hopeless, but it was purely down to Norwich being a bigger club with a better pedigree than Colchester (or perhaps you just offered more money?)

again you are totally missing the point. lambert never joined norwich because we've won two league cups while colchester haven't! he joined us because it was a logical step up. in comparison to colchester, norwich are a footballing giant (so are most clubs) and he saw the club as an opportunity to take his career forward with a club he could mould how he wanted. we were a club on its arse BUT it always had the potential to get to where we are today - colchester don't have that potential and probably never will. it had nothing to do with pedigree and everything to do with logic. i think lambert even said after the 1-7 game that he was in awe of the home support - he couldn't believe the size of the club and its potential.

meanwhile, i'd be very surprised to hear many youngsters choose ipswich over brighton. you are correct that poyet and tarrico would be factors, but the amex is fantastic and a million times better facility than the slightly dilapidated portman road. you're confusing 'fantastic' with 'large' when talking about your stadium - whenever i go to your ground i thank my lucky stars i don't have to go there every other week. meanwhile, brighton are a club who i fully expect to be in the premier league in the next couple of years, certainly before ipswich regain that status. however, any player joining brighton will not go for their history - they've won less than us! they'll go for the ambition and the excitement of playing in a big city (well, if you include hove it is) and the wonderful new stadium (if you've not been i advise you to do so next season!) and the buzz that surrounds the football club. ipswich are miles behind brighton as it stands, not just on the pitch but in their entire outlook.

what ipswich have in their favour is they are prepared to pay big wages - that is your sole attraction as a club at the moment.

 

[Carra_Rud]

What's the betting if 1p5wich ever get up to the Premier League, they do what QPR are doing this season.