After all these posts surely even you can’t claim not to be biased towards the Tory’s , my opinions are just that my opinions, I admit I’m left of centre. If you can’t see you are Tory you are just delusional. Politics is a very personal thing, different people see things differently. You’re entitled to your opinion but you present your opinion as facts.
glad you agree my opinion is based on researched facts if that is what you wish to believe. PMQ's is a Q&A ... session it is Q = Labour ...... A = .GOV So Q makes a statement [ Q1 ] often veiled attempts at humour accompany it! A then has to reply, maybe throwing back at the humour bit? 2 things the 5 Q's being posed are sent to to . gov well before the session starts [ dont know if .gov gives a hint at replies though ] this is to stop? historical points being referred back as "I refer my learned friend to and gives a reference? [We rarely hear that now ] But allows time to research the content of the Q. I listen to the Q and listen to the answer in real time, then go back over it if I have time to understand more the exchange and simply "report" the Q & A as it transpired . It is not my Q or my A and the very vein of the exchanges gives the overall outcome .. not mine not my opinion not putting words in anyones mouth, as a staunch supporter it must be painful to not get the answers one would hope for ! ...in any party. Research is the key keep it straight dont try to disguise the weakness of the subject by adding cheap throw away gags or try to belittle the person who you are addressing be it PERSON or PARTY .... SO research facts strength = a win
Where did I say your opinion is based on researched facts?, I merely said you are entitled to your opinion. The fact is we are actually worse off after 13 years than we were when they took over, NHS lists are worse, Ambulance wait times are worse than they’ve ever been, pay is worse, living standards are worse worse, inflation is worse, interest rates are worse, there’s been covid and Ukraine, but 2008 there was a world banking crash, out of our control also. And you still claim I assume you are not Tory, despite all your arguments are based on the same arguments they use? , which have been proven to not work as they’re responsible for the mess we’re in now.
this is the bit that you champion as facts caused by the .gov WITHOUT CONSIDERATION to the real driving forces behind it. [ listen again to PMQ's and the reply to why ]
I have and it’s excuses, I don’t agree with their reasoning, if you choke everything of money using austerity eventually it will catch up with you. There’s an old saying a stitch in time saves nine, by underfunding things you don’t do the first stitch, it’s a false economy because now we are in a situation where even nine stitches won’t suffice.
Take the police as an example, the Tory’s claim they are increasing their numbers, but their only increasing them by the same amount they cut them previously, in the meantime we’ve been short of numbers, to the point that it’s a waste of time calling the police most of the time. House breakings often aren’t even investigated. The recruits are “rookies” , the ones that left were often long serving, experienced coppers, again it’s a false economy, there is a cost of training these new officers and the un replaceable knowledge of the experienced coppers is lost for good. The Torries are always the same they know the cost of things, but have no idea of the value of them.
OK so lets assume your reasoning is correct! ... reference to doing all the infra structure [ maybe adding police/ nurses / etc ] Where would the money have come from?
There’s a cost involved in not doing something too, let me explain, because we didn’t keep on top of things then we have to find it now, the police we got rid of we are now replacing, that involves training costs, which we wouldn’t have had if we’d not got rid of them originally, then there’s the redundancy costs of the thousands of experienced coppers who left the force when we cut numbers, the costs of extra crimes committed due to losing community coppers who prevent crime, the list goes on. Cutting numbers of coppers just doesn’t mean you save their salaries, it means costs shift elsewhere and often the net affect is you end up paying more than if you’d just payed up front to keep them in the first place. My question to you is where do we get the extra money to pay for the consequences of losing thousands of coppers. That’s just one example. Same goes for NHS waiting times, by not employing enough staff and not paying them enough that they don’t bugger off to Australia etc, etc. Austerity is short sighted, you have to look at and understand the extra problems and extra expense that comes down the line. It’s where we are now,
The way I think of it is, if for instance it costs £100 to creosote my fence, if I’m skint maybe I’ll save myself £100 by not bothering, maybe I won’t bother next year save another £100, trouble is couple of years down the line the fence is rotten and needs replacing as I didn’t bother to maintain it, costs me £2,000 to replace, net I’ve lost £1,800, I’ve not saved £200
That’s bad economics. If you take inflation into account under this Tory debacle, £2000 in a few years time will be the equivalent to £100 now, so in fact you’ve SAVED money ….. That is, if you haven’t had your house repossessed of course….
the question was where do you get the money from! We didnt sack any police or nurses natural wastage was not replaced ... reason being no money in the kitty at the start of 2011! Well if you kept to speed then you will have heard the good news in 2018 we were in the black and embarking on catchup with more nurses hospitals police doctors and a few MORE infra structure jobs without I may add the need to to borrow money to do so .. as the financial shortfall of 2010 was now a profit! The question remains where would we have got the money from to do it your way ... we had to bite the bullet from 2011 till 2018 , and now, since 2018 [although Covid took £bn's from the .gov purse to ensure many jobs and pay for care and the suchlike.] have increased the police, [ still doing so ] nurses doctors [ still doing so ] modified and extended immensely many hospitals [ dtill doing so ] and improved a lot of the countries infra structure [ an ongoing thing ] hey thats 4+ of the last 13 years we have been doing that. So where would the money have come from?
As I explained it actually costs more money in the long run to not do it, so my question to you Is where are we now going to get the extra money needed now to clear up the mess of not dealing with it in the first place. Austerity just kicked the can down the road. We are in a terrible mess now, much of which could have been avoided.
Wasnt going to add it to the last post creosote 12 x 6' x 6' panels and posts would cost from £32 upwards [ 25l ] and last 7 + years or for appearance 3 + years plus. The fence between my neighbours and I was put up in 1988 been treated about 5 or 6 times and had about 50 screws added where and when needed it is 8 panels 5 foot h x 6ft all original posts but one has second post screwed to it as it became wobbly! FENCE LINE RUNS EAST TO WEST CHEAPER TREATMENTS AVAILABLE PER 25L
NHS 70,000 nurses shortfall, many leaving for Australia etc so that won’t improve anytime soon, Ambulances, you need to book them a week in advance, A&E forget it, senior docs on strike, junior docs on strike. The list goes on, too tired to list it all. The country is in a mess. It’s depressing even thinking about it. The only light at the end of the tunnel is more people seem to be realising what a useless lot this government are and hopefully we won’t have to put up with them much longer. You are obviously one of the few that think they’ve done a good job, I hope you stay as one of the few, even the Tory’s think they’re going to lose next time.
you are totally missing the point. ... when you answer the QUESTION where would the money come from for your projects between 2011 - 2018 [ really a shorter time than that likely 2011 to 2015/6 ] you have your answer. We are in a terrible mess now, much of which could have been avoided .. no one is disputing this statement least of all the .gov and it could have been avoided so lets summon the ALI BABA genie and use our 3 wish's rub rub ..ah genie I wish to erase Covid from our history .. ok master phoooof puff of smoke ... Job done master. rub rub .. ah genie I wish to erase the ukranian war from history ... ok master phoooof puff of smoke ... Job done master. rub rub ... ah genie could you help my friend Ashton, he has a very large fence and needs a very large quantity of creosote to treat it can you supply him with 25 litres of top quality presevative , half a dozen large brush's and a box of protective gloves every 5 years please .... ok master phoooof puff of smoke ... My job is done you have had your 3 wish's goodbye master.
It will be interesting to see the result of the covid enquiry and our readiness for and response to COVID. I maintain we weren’t anywhere near prepared enough, we’d been warned to plan and didn’t, again due to Austerity, maybe I’m wrong we’ll have to wait and see. It makes me laugh though how you blame all of our present woes on unexpected occurrences but blame the previous government for the state of the economy but ignore the financial crash, that was also world wide, unexpected and unprecedented.
Righty or wrongly , the public blamed Labour last time for the mess after the financial crash, I just hope they do the same to the Tories now, because if by some chance they don’t and they win the next GE we are doomed Capt. Mainwairing
