View attachment 271740 Labour plans: Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting would not say whether a 10% pay rise for the nurses would be affordable for his party, adding he was "fed up" of being asked how he would fix Conservative problems "tomorrow". wowee a a sure fire answer they [ labour ] dont have an answer! Simple answer would be yes . because we back the strike or No because we back the country that at the present time cant afford it! The RCN leader, Pat Cullen, made it clear there needs to be a new and improved offer from the government to call off the action, and was clearly frustrated by a last-minute letter from Health Secretary Steve Barclay at 8.30 this morning. There is no chance at the moment she will pause the strikes which could last all the way until Christmas. Cabinet Minister Greg Hands was equally firm that the government will not budge, at least until the remaining health unions have had their say on the deal. He tried instead to emphasise that the agreement they’d brokered was backed initially by the RCN leadership, and was in his view, fair. She is a Clock watcher! photo didnt come out! doesnt matter to her how many strikes they have, still gets paid and likely doesnt need any health care... and has private insurance possibly?
labours paymasters are the union bosses... tories paymasters are donors who want to make 2 profits! and have successful a) country b) company ... in the latter instances the success of one breeds success in the other. A poor company makes no or little profit, doesnt expand [ need to take on more workers ] so less workers less tax so lower GDP AND POORER ECONOMY...... Labour does have its moments .... they usually take over when the tories have sorted all the problems and the economy starts to thrive .. they throw in the feel good factor giving people everything the country cant really afford [ so go down the slippery labour historical slope of "borrow or sell off " to maintain the feel factor. In opposition their aim seems to be "sod the public generally " lets oppose everything, have strikes to make the .gov look bad and give people more money which will not destroy the economy until Tories get back in to sort it again! WHY IS INFLATION DRAGGING ON AND ECONOMY STIFLED? ....... because the labour paymasters want to screw the country by trying to screw the .gov and maintain their self styled " I am the most powerful leader of the once Gt: Britain!"
Just spoke to a friend [ nurse staff for 16 years ] in Unison and said last month's wages was £3700 something .. does 12 hours and odd up to 8 hour shifts .. basically a 3.5 day week! ... fine with 5% said always been good money! Has 3 kids! earns more than husband!
In a speech, the PM blamed a "cultural" acceptance of poor numeracy for skills shortages in various sectors. you have to agree ... most of these are obviously the union leaders that cant see the circle they are creating is getting the situation worse for the greater majority
The are numerate enough to understand a 5% increase this year, with inflation running at over 10%, won’t even begin to make up for the 25% decrease in yearly income there’s been since the tories took power though. Unlike Richi or Steve Berkeley. Maybe the problem is with the tories lack of understanding, that as a result of 10 years of austerity, many normal people have already taken as big a hit in their finances as they are able to cope with.
Most on here retire aged 65/66/67 with a non gold plated pension. Surely the way out is to offer public sector workers to work to age 67 like the 'many normal' of the UK, reduce their pension to what the 'many normal' get paid and a larger pay rise now. Expect they could have their 35%. Solved !
Ashton ..dont look at a snap shot .... the big picture is not just what the "tories" have done it is the M A S S I V E black hole the previous mob left £trn's G O N E in interest for their loans, our gold reserves and of course the sudden influx of oil revenue that greeted them when they won power that starts the ball rolling !! 8.5 to 9 years it took repair the damage done by Bliar and Brown. We had just about a year of prosperity beginning to unfold and then circumstances beyond any .gov's control took an evil hand.. a 2 headed nasty Covid and Putin set the world back. The blind [ no reference to physically impaired intended ] will think our 10% INFLATION is terrible but is to a great degree on a par that of the world, it may be a % or thereabouts worse than some but similarly better than most! A lac k of understanding by the tories? Well I would say that is in the right direction! Tories must find it hard, to worlk out how a opposition party with no plans, lacking in ideas, and can only adopt a position of trying to ridicule and name call using rather " low gutterery" language instead of doing something useful, instead of thinking everytime they insult someone they gain a few political points! The unions have to keep up the strikes , not because they need them to get more money but to keep inflation rolling at 10 % to give credence to their demands .. I have spent years socializing with a couple +of doctors 2 now approaching 65 and in their 6th and 7th years of retirement on pensions that are more than the salary of a staff nurse!...... THIS YEAR the maximum should be 5% end of the whole country has lost your figure of 25% but very few have gotten anything like it back!
took me more than the 7 mins between our posts had a phone call to deal with ... cancelled my hospital appointment ... 3 strikes and I sue ...they are on 2 now!
The NHS has thousands of vacancies, added to that the present staff are leaving in their droves , junior doctors and nurses have been overworked for years, the government relying on the fact most do at as a vocation. The NHS workers ARE a SPECIAL case. I bet you clapped them during the pandemic. ( I didn’t but the way, because I knew it was hypocritical) , now they are asking us, as a society, to back their cause, and in my view we should. The salaries they receive for the qualifications they need is abysmal. Why would anyone put up with the amount of stress they do on a daily basis for the salaries they get. It’s a case of supply and demand, a concept you should fully support as a Tory. If we don’t pay them appropriately even more will leave, meaning even more vacancies & waiting lists getting ever longer, until eventually the whole system comes to a grinding halt. Tbh I didn’t think we’re far from that point now.
Ashton Do you have a view on their retirement age or their amazing pension. Don't you think reducing their pension is way of paying them more now, and probably stop them leaving for Australia.
I’m no expert, I wouldn’t pretend to have the answers. We have to do something though to increase numbers, reduce vacancies, and improve retention. Instead of being confrontational the government should be proactive, talk to them to find a way through. They’re going to have to eventually to bring this to an end, surely it would be better to d it now, rather than later after damaging strikes go ahead.
the offer is on the table half of them [ nurses ] accept it ... doctors and RCN DO NOT. .gov could bow to their wishes ... give them say 10 % and then to pay for it tax goes up to 22p and 44p and higher! average person not being greedy and working his share with a smallish 4 -5% then has to pay out another £20 a month to pay the doctors ..........
Or we could just leave it as it is, ignore them, put up with the strikes, the increasing waiting lists and the further damage to the NHS. That’ll ultimately cost more than if they met them now, negotiated and agreed a deal. You talk as if doing nothing has no cost, it does. These disputes have a cost In themselves, the quicker they are resolved the less the cost.
Like an apprentice, Junior Doctors have to do the years, get the experience, and then the sky is almost the limit as to how much they want to earn basically and whether they wish to split their time between the NHS and the private sector. Apprentices are also underpaid.
absolutely ABSOLUTELY .... YOU GET A WAGE .. you need to buy / pay for things/ etc you take your car in for an MOT and get told told to get through it will cost £800 a couple ball joints headlight bulb new rear handbrake cable and disc is worn on a back wheel . CHOICES.... You have a budget, pay up and go without something / negotiate [ usually not workable ] / get a second opinion. Last year it was the other wheels and a side light bulb and front handbrake cable and was £325 .... you like this garage is close to home and been with them for x number of years! A MILE AWAY IS SIMILAR GARAGE ... half the cost! ... NOW I know you cant compare with a nurse or doctor directly but the principle is the same if you have a income and a budget .... do you stick to it or ........... wait! go without car for a couple weeks /month? then pay the £800 oh sorry sir its now £850 !!!!!! .........
Junior doctors are any doctors up to consultants , they are junior doctors for many years. Not just a couple, as is with apprentices, they are often very skilled individuals, the point is if they decide sod it im not prepared to put up with this anymore, we lose all the money invested in training them, plus the skills they have learned. There’s also the point of being absolutely knackered and lacking motivation, I’d personally much rather be dealt with by a motivated doctor who’s well rested.
But they don't get gold plated pensions. The government should offer junior doctors a large salary increase offset by working as long as 'normal people and reduced final pension akin to 'normal people'. Let's get it out in the open. At a loss why he media don't ask this question. Hang on, we do. They're all in it together to bring down the government. Daft sods don't realise the Tories have brought it all on themselves with sheer incompetence.
Exactly, so the government need to resolve the disputes ASAP, that means negotiating NOW , not in several months time, yet they refuse to negotiate, which costs more in the long run.
PMQ's it is a good job that very few ... although marginally more than watch MOTD... watch PMQ's usual KS trying to gain points with a lot of outdated comments and bigging up himself... while RS just repeated what has gone on for the past few years, before a serious slap down of KS on his parting comment. Highlight was the deputy Labour leaders face and posture throughout [ except one 20 second burst of normality when KS bigged himself up ] She looked really bored, and disinterested face like the proverbial!
Kier pointed out the mess we are in, whilst RS tried to convince himself, and us, everything in the garden in rosey. If you can’t see that JFG, there really is no hope for you .
