All three of the one you mention had genuine wide quality in front of them. Beckham, Kanchelskis, Giggs, Ronaldo, even Nani. Who does Wan Bissaka have to 'link' with? No ****. Lingard ffs!
Wan Bissaka is first and foremost a defender. End of. All he needs is someone decent in front to pass to and occasionally overlap with.
Lingard is a legend, Chief. On a serious note; who exactly is responsible for not having someone in front of the defenders to pass to? We can argue all day long that we don't have players to do the job. But when you deploy five midfielders without anyone naturally capable of putting in a decent cross from the right, there's a flaw in the setup and Dalot sat there for 88 minutes waiting for a game.
Mate, you don't want him to spend money then slag him off for not producing a right winger out of his ****ing magic hat. It's not all Ole's fault dude.
We have got into the habit of making excuses for Ole.. It's not all his fault, the injuries, the players are pants, you name it! It was always the ex-manager's fault until he took charge. We called every single one of them all names in the book and couldn't wait to get rid of them yet they far out performed what we now have. But the rules are now somehow different. That is my grime with the way we have been panhandling Soljksaer. But hey, let's give him more time...
Ok. So you want to sack another manager, don't want to spend any money and expect the new manager to perform magic tricks with the existing players his three predecessors were unable to perform! Care to name this magician? Because, whoever that magician is; Lingard & Pereira will still be ****, Matic will still be over the hill, Pogba will still want to leave, Martial will still be a half arsed lazy ****, Shaw will still be unfit, Lindelof will still not quite be good enough, Mata will still be one paced, De Gea will still be error prone and Jones will still be a donkey. Care to guess what the common denominator is with all the above?
Chief, you said it yourself earlier this week that this team should be good enough to get fourth place. Every player that we have slagged over the years has gone on to do better with other teams. So yes, the common denominator is the manager.
So what you're suggesting here is that we need to change the whole team? Bring in only players that Soljksaer himself wants in every position? The team clearly suffered from lack of consistent motivation yesterday and in many games this season. That starts and ends with the manager, unfortunately.
I think it's important to understand that just because someone says that the problems at the club aren't down to the manager, doesn't necessarily mean they back the manager as the right man for the job.
Pretty much, yes. Apart from the ones the current manager has already brought in, who weren't on that list, and some of the home grown lads who have stepped up. The squad on the whole needs a complete overhaul. That applies to whichever manager is there, it's ****ing obvious. Half the squad is complete garbage.
Correct, we have had 5 managers since Fergie (if you count Giggs), one highly experienced in the PL and two who were accepted as "world class", none of them have hit the heights (yet) so who do we go to for the next 9 months before we decide he isn't good enough. We need to pick a manager (i would back Ole and make no secret of that) and back him for at least (and i mean least) 2 years before making a decision to sack him unless we were in serious danger of relegation. We have had 20+ years of unrivalled success then in the space of 12 months had the manager that created it along with the whole backroom staff, the whole defence and whole midfield ripped out of the club. We are in effect starting again and it will take some patience with the staff to get anywhere near where we were, it's not a god given right.
I'm not convinced Ole is the right man for the job tbh. I think it may be beyond him. BUT the idea all our ills (or even most of our ills) will be cured by sacking him would just be another misjudgement in a long line of mismanagement at a higher level over the last 7 years.
Absolutely correct. I stand by my (often repeated!!!) stand that Ole see the season out and if he gets top four he gets another season for further experience and rebuild. There is no other manager out there at the moment who could, immediately, turn this squad round. If he doesn't achieve top four and champions league, then he is replaced by a manager that United are sounding out NOW. The club should already be out there sounding out candidates for his job. If that sounds underhand, tough ****. It's what they need to do. They've ****ed up every single recruitment since Ferguson retired. Bar Moyes, they were all knee jerk. We don't need another, we need a manager who has actually been recruited properly.
It took Fergie 6 years to win his first trophy with us, 6 years for an FA Cup not the league. How long would some have given him today? (probably a bit longer because we weren't coming off the back of 20+ years of domination ) The truth is van Gaal won the FA Cup but wasn't good enough, Jose won the League Cup and Europa League but wasn't good enough, some just don't seem to realise that after Moyes tore the club apart we were starting from scratch and building back to anywhere near what we was will take years whoever is in charge if it was easy all clubs would do it.
I think it's also about a noticeable style of football... an identity of the man in charge which suggests something that not only appeals but you can believe will deliver in the end whether that's 2, 3 or 5 years doesn't matter..... I've yet to see it in anyone we've put in charge at United since Fergie left. I'm just a poster on a football forum, but you'd want to believe that kind of thinking would've crossed the minds of Woodward at some point.
I agree to an extent but have to ask, does a manger play to a style that suits the players he has or expect them to play to his style when they are not capable?
There will always be compromises to begin with. But the manager's style will always show through. Look at Moyes, Van Gaal and Jose, all demonstrated their own particular style despite the challenges. The problem for me is that none (and possibly not Ole either) have a style that players either believe in or which demonstrates the potential for success at United some point in the future.
