It was an outright lie.
Jeremy Corbyn sides with terrorists. That's enough for me and most people, tbh.
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Jeremy Corbyn sides with terrorists. That's enough for me and most people, tbh.
It wasn't a lie at all
The document said what it said, it proved as he said that the NHS had been discussed and drug prices had been discussed. That's not lying, it may not be enough for you to think something. but it is contributory evidence and objectively does discuss those things, even if you decide otherwise. Some people look at a silver wall and say it's painted grey...Again, you don't want to vote for him because of the terrorism thing but support someone who is working hand in hand with the Saudis and current more dubious characters who have sponsored and cultivated terrorism against us far more recently? Go ahead.
But if you're going to call him a liar I believe you're wrong. He's an honest man, you just disagree with him.
Unlike Boris, who is a proven, demonstrable liar who has been sacked for lying from two jobs where lying is tacitly accepted as part of life.
What makes you think I want Brexit? There's also the train seat stuff. There are question marks surrounding his stance on climate change. There's his attitude towards proscribed organisations and his response when asked what he was doing at certain commemorative events. I have heard that the reasons that he gives for his failures in education at both his expensive private school and at North London Polytech are not the same as those organisations give. As has been pointed out, the stuff about the NHS document has shown not to be true (at least Blair's Labour got their spin right).Forgive me, all I see is something about how being a eurosceptic precludes him from being neutral?
If anything, Brexit votes should be clamouring for him if you believe he's a secret eurosceptic
Maybe Johnson has told more lies. That doesn't make Corbyn's lies any less lies.
Train seat stuff
That was ambiguous and you don't know what happened any more than anyone else. It was a PR stunt, possibly, but it wasn't a lie was it? Or do you know for a fact there were 2 seats together for him and his wife?Question marks surrounding his stance on climate change? How is that a lie?
His attitude towards proscribed organisations? How is that a lie?
You have heard things about his education and we're supposed to take these to the bank as de facto lies are we?
The NHS doc I've already said above, it wasn't a lie, even if you don't agree with the interpretation.
Basically, like I said, you might disagree with him, but I don't think he's a liar. Almost to a fault, he could have bare-faced lied about half of the stuff people cite and avoided scrutiny on lots of it, but he believes in being honest even if it costs him. I can admire that, even when I disagree with him vehemently on many things (including his IRA, Hamas and Hizbollah stances of talking to them btw).
What on earth is the point of renewing trident if you have already told the world that you would never use it, even in self defence. It’s the only thing that has stopped Putin rolling back though Eastern Europe and then into the West.....there is the really dangerous and deluded man.......yet Corbyn has publicly stated his dislike of NATO
The Labour Party are being investigated by the human rights commission & Jewish Labour MPs have been threatened and have resigned from the party. Corbyn would not apologise until really pressed days later.
He can promise the world.....until he gets in. It is my view that there will be complete disarray if he gets the keys to No 10. Time will shortly tell, eh
If misrepresenting the truth isn't lying then no, he wasn't lying in any of the cases. I don't see any evidence that he does believe in being honest. In fact, I think he comes across very poorly in that respect. If you genuinely believe he isn't a liar then I believe you've been taken in by him.Train seat stuff
Question marks surrounding his stance on climate change? How is that a lie?
His attitude towards proscribed organisations? How is that a lie?
You have heard things about his education and we're supposed to take these to the bank as de facto lies are we?
The NHS doc I've already said above, it wasn't a lie, even if you don't agree with the interpretation.
Basically, like I said, you might disagree with him, but I don't think he's a liar. Almost to a fault, he could have bare-faced lied about half of the stuff people cite and avoided scrutiny on lots of it, but he believes in being honest even if it costs him. I can admire that, even when I disagree with him vehemently on many things (including his IRA, Hamas and Hizbollah stances of talking to them btw).
Extreme Socialism
Ffs lets get back to basics. There is no thing as a free lunch. Someone give me an example of extreme socialism working. The Chinese gave up on it the Russians gave up on it and the Venezuelans are fleeing the country. When the 1% who pay 28% of tax revenue pss off to wherever who picks up the bill? Answer The Poor Bloody Worker.
Ffs lets get back to basics. There is no thing as a free lunch. Someone give me an example of extreme socialism working. The Chinese gave up on it the Russians gave up on it and the Venezuelans are fleeing the country. When the 1% who pay 28% of tax revenue pss off to wherever who picks up the bill? Answer The Poor Bloody Worker.
You do realise other countries have nukes, yes? And frankly, I think it's insane that people think it's nuclear weapons that deter Russia. They know nobody is using them, even themselves, even North ****ing Korea. What deters them is a strong, aligned Europe, ironically. Their efforts to get their Soviet states back revolves around serious propaganda efforts in the Baltic states and Romania, Bulgaria etc to stoke Pro-Russian people into democratically electing their patsies. They're never going to war over Estonia, Latvia etc because they know Europe would fight for it. Simple.
It's why they intervene in our elections to promote division and extreme nationalist interests, so we find ourselves in-fighting rather than looking at those things that are more troublesome.
Who is proposing extreme socialism? Corbyn would still be bound by a Capitalist society, just as the Labour party of the post-war era was when they set up the NHS.
Which I presume you don't use, being a Socialist creation?
The idea that we'll be Cuba or somewhere is nuts, and the fact that you're willing to actively vote for the betterment of the 1% in fear of them 'pissing off' rather than creating a fairer society where big companies selling goods here pay more tax is proof that the propaganda works
I mean I know I'm wasting my time here. We'll have a Tory government, minority at best, come January. Just remember this **** when Boris lies to your face next time.
The NHS isn't a socialist creation though. It was first proposed and the principles of it were laid out in a report by Liberal MP William Beveridge in 1942. It was under the Conservative coalition that the first white paper proposing its creation was written in 1944. Conservative MP Henry Willink spent a long time wrangling with the British Medical Association, who were opposed to it, to get it passed but was ultimately unsuccessful. Then finally, in 1948, Nye Bevan was tasked with implementing the new service and managed to break the deadlock with the BMA. So, the truth is that the NHS was an all-party agreement.
One of the greatest speeches in Parliament.
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Expropriation of pension funds to finance the manifesto. Nationalisation of private companies without appropriate recompense sounds extreme to me.
Yeah and he blatantly lies on it.
You must have missed Boris's two TV debates and interviews with the BBC and This Morning.
No I must have missed it I was busy watching the other leaders being interviewed by Andrew Neil and Julie Etchingham as well as the interviewers you have mentioned
I don't see why he should be dictated to by the media about what he should be doing for his campaign. He's still done interviews, but he's picked and chose wisely, while the other mugs were torn to shreds by Andrew Neil and they all went down in the polls as a consequence.
It sounds like he's got good advisors.
We're at the point now where someone actively avoiding public scrutiny is held up as 'smart' by people who would rather bury their head in the sand than have to acknowledge his incompetence and inability to defend his political and personal beliefs.
We're ****ed really aren't we?