Grand Prix thread 2017 British Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jul 9, 2017.

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F1 returns home, but will the home star take back the win?

Poll closed Jul 15, 2017.
  1. Vettel

    28.6%
  2. Hamilton

    61.9%
  3. Bottas

    4.8%
  4. Ricciardo

    4.8%
  5. Raikkonen

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  6. Perez

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  7. Verstappen

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  8. Ocon

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  9. Sainz

    0 vote(s)
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  10. OTHER: Please State

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  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    A year or two I think.
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    There have not been many penalties imposed this year for impeding in qualifying, when there have been several cases where they could have been due.

    I think the FIA have learnt that to over penalise ruins the show, both in quali and the race, so there must be a clear infringement for them to do this.

    In the past, it seemed any driver could come onto the radio and say that someone up the road got in his way and a penalty would be issued.

    What you don't know is if the telemetry backed up what Grosjean said. If he was 3 or 4 10ths slower in that section than he had previously been, or was on his fastest lap of quali, then there is clearly a case for a penalty. Personally I think Grosjean exaggerated the situation, to lose that much time in the last corner is a lot, Hamilton went into the last two corners at racing speed to set himself up for his flying lap, or be it he was not in the braking zone at racing speed, but that would not have affected Grosjean who had yet to brake. Unless Hamilton was slow on the apex which caused Grosjean to slow down more than normal, I think the lost time was either nothing, or not as much as Haas and Grosjean made out, otherwise why not release the data to prove what they were saying?

    Whilst I do disagree with Wolff's comments made afterwards, it has to be said Grosjean does moan more than most drivers about anything and everything.
     
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  3. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    Shows how much attention I pay. :emoticon-0111-blush
     
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  4. cosicave

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    A thrilling race.
    Most significant points, from my point of view (there were lots of others):

    Although Hamilton was out on his own for the entirety, I hope most enjoyed the dramas playing out for other high placings. Certainly they did at the circuit – although of course, this must be at least in part due to the partisan nature of crowds and the collective instinct for karma! The roars could be heard for miles around.

    Bottas did a fantastic job to recover from his lowly grid position but benefitted from both Ferraris' unexpected – and perhaps self-inflicted?
    * – backward steps in the closing minutes. I was very pleased that there was no point at which Ferrari could realistically consider what many in the paddock feared, had Räikkönen not been on target to finish more than one place ahead of Vettel.

    *I have a feeling both Ferrari's were set up to make higher than usual demands upon the front tyres. Despite the new layout giving a better balance of rights and lefts, the very fast right handers at Silverstone still inflict more pain upon the front left. Räikkönen suffered a failure for which I do not believe he personally contributed. As alluded to, it seemed more a case of set-up wear. Vettel's set-up was, I believe, very similar; but his failure was quite different. Whilst Räikkönen had driven smoothly and consistently, Vettel had been over-driving and ragged at times. This had been the case long before Bottas became a contender for the podium; and had he not over-driven, his lap times probably would have kept him out of range 'til the end. But he did over-drive, compromising both lap time and tyres. This led to him coming under pressure from Bottas on newer tyres. He continued to try too hard, badly misjudging a corner when already falling back, further increasing the pressure. Then a 'white smoker' on an already worn front left; not just a big flat spot but the type of lock-up to make it go bang there and then. As it turned out though, only the fuse had been lit…
    All told, I think Vettel was fortunate to make it back to the pits. Or, to put it another way, he did well to keep the carcass on the rim at those speeds and then to cross the line with enough points to retain the Championship lead!
     
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  5. Big Ern

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    TBH it's more Max's weaving I have a problem with, 3 or 4 times I can distinctly remember him make his move to defend, then makes some more on entry, I don't really have much of a problem with a bit of door closing on entry, as long as you're not forcing them off or causing contact, but not after you've made your move to close it already.
    My problem with the blocking decision is with the FIA and the ambiguous way they go around things, to say Lewis affected Grosjean but didn't impede him is a nonsense, Mercedes should've told him Grosjean was coming up behind, only had to ease up for a second to let him through, could've done it long before the corner. If someone is on a flying lap and you're not and you suddenly cut onto the racing line at a very low speed they don't know what you are going to do and they have to react.
     
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