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Off Topic 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by rainermariarilke, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    Barack Obama saw fit to intervene in the EU Referendum debate to tell Britons that they should vote Remain, with the resounding success warranted by his in-depth knowledge of the issue.

    Theresa May has decided that she will go on The Andrew Marr Show next week to endorse Donald J Trump for the role of President of the United States of America because we know that foreign leaders intervening in domestic political matters have such an incredible recent record.
     
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  2. OddDog

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    I wonder just what ****ing planet politicians live on these days ...................... all power mad the lot of them, nobody seems to be in it to DO GOOD for their people these days. It really isn't difficult to step up to the plate ad say "I' going to do XYZ" and then ****ing deliver it. The whole lot of them need to get a ****ing grip and earn their corn for a change. ****ers.

    (I seem to be spending a lot of time in rant mode recently, I think it is either the weather or the male menopause)
     
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  3. TopClass

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    I think we are sick of the powers that be taking the damn piss.

    When you consider what we have unearthed in Trump, behind closed doors, it makes you wonder just what had gone on with others over the years.
     
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  4. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
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    You still in the financial sector Toppy? You need to do some good there my friend <ok>
     
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  5. TopClass

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    I am mate. Doing my bit at the moment to challenge the way people are performance rated in their yearly appraisals. Things are moving forward well (no one in my sector is rewarded for selling per se- which is where banks got it woefully wrong in the early to mid 2000s, resulting in the huge PPI redress to put that right).

    We will keep chipping away to do the right thing and promote the right behaviours.
     
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    Top man <ok> it all starts from small acorns ......................... :)
     
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  7. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    This second debate could be horrific given events over the last few days. Trump's Twitter feed references some pretty horrible accusations from women who've encountered Bill Clinton. If Trump is called out on his comments from 10 years ago I'm pretty sure his 'defence' will be an attack on ol boy Bill and Hilary's role in it all. Could get very unpleasant indeed. Whatever happens I suspect Bill and Donald won't ever tee it up in the same fourball again.
     
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    Whether intentional or not, Trump's role in exposing all that is wrong with those who hold power in the first world political system gives us all something to think about. I can't help thinking this is all a big play from Trump, that he actually wants to expose everything that is bad in American politics. I may be wrong, but surely someone as successful as him cannot be so stupid. Could this be one of the great political moves of all time?

    Or should I just have another glass of wine <laugh>
     
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    The guy is just a jess -real estate dealing is hardly difficult when you start with a big pot of money and friends in the right place -he has plenty of failed deals but whatever he is certainly a loose cannon and for me a bully and a nasty piece of work
     
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    Hear. hear, an absolute craphead.
     
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    Of course he is. But there has to be more to it than that, whether Trump wants it or not. This whole campaign degenerating into a farce, the choice between two candidates who, to be quite honest, you wouldn't chose to run the local library. We need to listen and understand what this is telling us, and learn from it. Just sitting here day after day and saying "Oh my Donald Trump is so terrible" is the easy way out We need to be asking ourselves how America has been forced into this choice. The real travesty is that there aren't decent men and women in America who are in a position to run for President. That the only people in a position to run are those who are bankrolled into the election by any number of dubious sources.

    Yes, bash Trump every day if you want. But spare a few minutes to think about the bigger picture, and what his candidacy says about the Republican party in particular and American (and even global) politics generally. An absolute declaration of moral bankruptcy.
     
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    Absolutely. Bashing Trump is the easy bit.


    Getting to the bottom of how the USA went from Kennedy in the 1960s to this current point in time is the pressing issue.
     
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    What a **** up. I'm voting for Wyatt Earp <laugh>
     
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    I'd say that the job of president is virtually a mannequin that moves and talks -it has no
     
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    Yes, I have spent more than a few minutes dwelling on this subject and do realise what a ghastly mess U.S. politics has sunk to. The standard of the Republican candidates for its party's nomination for President was just awful, and it is no wonder that Trump got the nomination. It is a mess created by the Republican Party itself. I do not need to dwell on it any further. Had I, in my working career, ever had a boss remotely like Trump, I would have quit the oil business and enrolled in a monastery, or gone to work for a bookmaker. I'd have a go at most things during my working career, but you can't take on 'City Hall', that really would be a waste of time. Luckily, none of my bosses happened to be 'City Hall'.

    As for "bashing Trump is the easy bit", so what? I happen to like taking-on (better way of putting it than 'bashing') bullies and thugs, have done since my school days and, I would be the first to admit, I have occasionally paid for it physically. But you have to stand up to this sort of person in life, surely?

    Ron is correct, as for me, well I'd vote for Jack Benny. Maybe. :undecided:
     
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    But how do you stop someone like Trump? Despite the heat he received from within the GOP, he had every right to launch himself into the Republican race. Once there, he could say anything he pleased as long as he didn't defame anyone. Irrespective of whether or not he believed in that appalling stuff he espoused about his neighbours to the South, it struck a cord with the malcontents of this world. "Lets throw up a mighty wall to keep them ****ers out." Great numbers rejoiced and the polls took a spike. All of a sudden, the GOP was stuffed, they had a loose cannon in their ranks, and he was blasting in all directions. He's the product of the modern media. He's centered his campaign around some of the lowest common denominators, and in the process, placed himself above the Republican Party. The GOP are not stupid, they saw this coming a long way out and they tried to head him off, but they were shot ducks. They were telling all and sundry within the party that he was poison, but the 48% polling numbers neutered them.

    The Donald isn't alone though is he? The rise and rise of the information highway has allowed no end of arseholes a voice, and sadly, there are far too many folk out there who are being whipped onto a frenzy at the hands of these "radical" type politicians. In the case of someone like Trump, we are getting what many of us want. There's no gun being pointed at anyone's head. He's calling into question our well being by pushing the fear button. I like what I have, but I fear the great masses crossing our border.
     
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    Mate- who said anything I wrote was directed at you? You don't have to justify anything for me lol.

    I am speaking in terms of people as a collective, as a whole, who have sat back and allowed out these people to be our leaders, and I'm saying the challenge for us all is to decipher how on Earth we reached this point.

    The US election reflects all that has gone wrong and this is a fork in the road to choose a better direction.
     
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    If a close friend tells you they are considering an act of unfathomable idiocy, don't you have a duty to try and talk them out of it?

    The whole world is aghast at the obvious harm the UK has just done to it's own future. You can't blame Obama for trying to point this out before it was too late.
     
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    No, no, misunderstanding here, TopClass, sincere apologies. It does look that way, due to my poor phrasing, but didn't mean it to look that way at all. Just meant, why not take the mickey out of someone who really pisses you off? That's all. You know, I don't think a lot of Mrs. Clinton either, she is flawed for sure. Her husband was a good president, who just could not keep his zipper done up at critical times? Great shame that. All this possible rape business just sickens me, really does. In defence of Trump, why didn't this witness woman come forward at a much earlier date to accuse him? To come forward at this stage is very fishy?
     
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