2013 pre-season testing

Delete Me · Mar 3, 2013

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Hmmmmm interesting!

u408379965 · Mar 4, 2013

at that Lotus exhaust. Probably taking the piss after their original design was banned, they can't possibly hope to get away with that.

tomcat606 · Mar 4, 2013

AbsolutelyGlorious said: ↑

at that Lotus exhaust. Probably taking the piss after their original design was banned, they can't possibly hope to get away with that.
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Its just for testing purposes. They can try whatever they want for test runs.

allsaintchris. · Mar 4, 2013

Nothing wrong with NASCAR boys.

One of my 5 motorsport places to go before I die is Bristol Motor Speedway.

yee-haw

Di Resta is faster than u · Mar 4, 2013

phew, for a moment I thought you meant the uk Bristol.

Just wiki'd it. Love the track variety

"Despite its short length, Bristol is among the most popular tracks on the NASCAR schedule because of its distinct features, that include extraordinarily steep banking, an all concrete surface, two pit roads and stadium-like seating. It has also been named one of the loudest NASCAR tracks."

El_Bando · Mar 4, 2013

If NASCAR was more easy to watch over here then I probably would. But as its not I dont

Delete Me · Mar 4, 2013

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-bluffing-or-struggling-as-new-season-looms/

Some paddock insiders suspect Red Bull, now less than a fortnight before Melbourne, is bluffing.
"They have hidden their game the whole time," thinks Ferrari's Felipe Massa.

Asked if Kimi could have matched Rosberg's winter-best Barcelona time, he smiled to the Finnish broadcaster MTV3: "It would have been close."

BrightLampShade · Mar 4, 2013

You know how unreliable Mercedes looked at the start...

The final test:

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Distance by team Team Laps Kms 1. Mercedes 481 2239 2. Ferrari 428 1992 3. McLaren 395 1838 4. Sauber 388 1806 5. Caterham 373 1736 6. Force India 340 1582 7. Marussia 338 1573 8. Toro Rosso 325 1512 9. Red Bull 314 1461 10. Williams 298 1387 11. Lotus 252 1173

Mercedes well on top with Lotus even worst than I thought.

Other combined data:

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Combined times Pos Driver Team Time Gap 1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m20.130s 2. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m20.494s + 0.364s 3. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m20.558s + 0.428s 4. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m21.266s + 1.136s 5. Jenson Button McLaren 1m21.444s + 1.314s 6. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber 1m21.541s + 1.411s 7. Adrian Sutil Force India 1m21.627s + 1.497s 8. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus 1m21.658s + 1.528s 9. Paul di Resta Force India 1m21.664s + 1.534s 10. Pastor Maldonado Williams 1m22.305s + 2.175s 11. Valtteri Bottas Williams 1m22.468s + 2.338s 12. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1m22.514s + 2.384s 13. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber 1m22.553s + 2.423s 14. Mark Webber Red Bull 1m22.658s + 2.528s 15. Sergio Perez McLaren 1m22.694s + 2.564s 16. Romain Grosjean Lotus 1m22.716s + 2.586s 17. Charles Pic Caterham 1m23.115s + 2.985s 18. Jules Bianchi Marussia 1m23.167s + 3.037s 19. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 1m23.223s + 3.093s 20. Davide Valsecchi Lotus 1m23.448s + 3.318s 21. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1m23.628s + 3.498s 22. Max Chilton Marussia 1m24.103s + 3.973s 23. Giedo van der Garde Caterham 1m24.235s + 4.105s Distance by driver Driver Team Laps Kms 1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 251 1168 2. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 230 1070 3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 222 1033 4. Felipe Massa Ferrari 206 958 5. Max Chilton Marussia 202 940 6. Sergio Perez McLaren 201 935 7. Charles Pic Caterham 199 926 8. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber 197 917 9. Jenson Button McLaren 194 903 10. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber 191 889 11. Romain Grosjean Lotus 186 865 12. Giedo van der Garde Caterham 174 809 13. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 173 805 14. Adrian Sutil Force India 171 796 15. Paul Di Resta Force India 169 786 16. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 165 768 17. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 152 707 18. Pastor Maldonado Williams 151 702 19. Mark Webber Red Bull 149 693 20. Valtteri Bottas Williams 147 684 21. Jules Bianchi Marussia 136 633 22. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus 50 232 23. Davide Valsecchi Lotus 16 74

El_Bando · Mar 4, 2013

Is that only from last week? have you got a total of all 3?

EternalMSC · Mar 4, 2013

Bottas is going to make life hard for Pastor.

JonnyBaws · Mar 4, 2013

El_Bando said: ↑

Is that only from last week? have you got a total of all 3?
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Must be for the final test.. we know Kimi "know's what he's doing..." but he'd get "lost" with the car setup, if he did 50 laps in pre-season testing..

BrightLampShade · Mar 4, 2013

El_Bando said: ↑

Is that only from last week? have you got a total of all 3?
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Just the final test, was a bit vague with my post :s
I'll dig up the total data now

Delete Me · Mar 4, 2013

Ferrari were also rejected to change mappings by the reports of AMuS, interesting!

AMuS: Because every change request for the engine must be made public, Merc and Ferrari will have a close look. FIA allows changes only if all 3 manufacturers agree. Ferrari, for example, already had received a rejection when they asked for clarification in winter. They wanted new maps for a new exhaust configuration, which would have been outside the 2012 rules. FIA rejected that, Ferrari was told to kindly build an exhaust that can be run with maps that are within the rules that are in effect.

So that's RBR, Ferrari, Lotus, Williams and Sauber possibly in the ****?

BrightLampShade · Mar 4, 2013

Totals for all 3 test sessions:

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[TR]
[TD] Cla [/TD]
[TD] Car makes[/TD]
[TD]Total (km)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Sauber[/TD]
[TD]5307[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Mercedes[/TD]
[TD]5224[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Ferrari[/TD]
[TD]4913[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]McLaren[/TD]
[TD]4629[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Red Bull[/TD]
[TD]4608[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Williams[/TD]
[TD]4570[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Caterham[/TD]
[TD]4513[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Toro Rosso[/TD]
[TD]4506[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Force India[/TD]
[TD]4481[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Marussia[/TD]
[TD]3669[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Lotus[/TD]
[TD]3527[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="width: 36%"]
[TR]
[TD]Cla [/TD]
[TD] Drivers [/TD]
[TD] Total (km)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Esteban Gutierrez[/TD]
[TD]2768[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Nico Rosberg[/TD]
[TD]2640[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Lewis Hamilton[/TD]
[TD]2584[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Sergio PÃ©rez[/TD]
[TD]2538[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Nico HÃ¼lkenberg[/TD]
[TD]2538[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]Max Chilton[/TD]
[TD]2536[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Paul Di Resta[/TD]
[TD]2520[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Jean-Eric Vergne[/TD]
[TD]2455[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Charles Pic[/TD]
[TD]2364[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Valtteri Bottas[/TD]
[TD]2352[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]Fernando Alonso[/TD]
[TD]2351[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Sebastian Vettel[/TD]
[TD]2343[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]Felipe Massa[/TD]
[TD]2336[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Romain Grosjean[/TD]
[TD]2270[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Mark Webber[/TD]
[TD]2265[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Pastor Maldonado[/TD]
[TD]2218[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Giedo van der Garde[/TD]
[TD]2149[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]Jenson Button[/TD]
[TD]2091[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]Daniel Ricciardo[/TD]
[TD]2051[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]Kimi RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen[/TD]
[TD]1182[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]Jules Bianchi[/TD]
[TD]1165[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]Adrian Sutil[/TD]
[TD]1159[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]Luiz Razia[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]James Rossiter[/TD]
[TD]270[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]Pedro de la Rosa[/TD]
[TD]226[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]Davide Valsecchi[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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El_Bando · Mar 4, 2013

thanks....What about mileage done on filming days

BrightLampShade · Mar 4, 2013

El_Bando said: ↑

thanks....What about mileage done on filming days
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EternalMSC · Mar 4, 2013

Lotus are so chilled out, you couldn't say that they have done the least laps.

TomTom94 · Mar 4, 2013

Bianchi's combined time is a second faster than Chilton's

Forza Bianchi · Mar 4, 2013

Here we go again.....

Gary Anderson column: Mercedes finish with a flourish

Pre-season Formula 1 testing finished with a flourish from Mercedes and they look in decent shape ahead of the new season.

On the final day of the test, Nico Rosberg backed up with his own pace-setting lap the impression given when Lewis Hamilton set the fastest time on the penultimate day.

Rosberg was 0.428 seconds faster than Hamilton had been but you would expect that given that the track would almost certainly have been in better condition in that period and Mercedes would have been improving the car all the time through their 12 low-fuel runs.

Rosberg achieved his time on a one-lap run whereas Hamilton's was longer. If you take away the extra laps Hamilton did in terms of the lap-time effect of the fuel on board, Hamilton's time closes to within 0.156secs of Rosberg's.

That's very close and well within the sort of margin you'd expect from the set-up and track-condition improvements.

Testing times can be notoriously misleading, but this appears to be genuine pace from Mercedes .

If you look at the lap times they did on longer runs, they correlate almost exactly with the lap-time difference you would expect given the extra fuel on board.

The car looks genuinely good on the track and I'm sure Mercedes will be close to the front in Melbourne on 15-17 March.

Ferrari's Fernando Alonso split the two Mercedes drivers' times and that car is obviously in the ballpark as well.

In terms of ultimate pace achieved over the winter, those three drivers are standing on their own but the identity of who looks quick has varied from day to day so that doesn't necessarily mean a great deal.

The most difficult team to read are Red Bull. They brought some new parts to the final test and on the final day they had them on and then off again.

Sebastian Vettel said afterwards that they had not managed to get done everything they wanted to in the course of testing.

But reading between the lines, we do know Red Bull run quite a lot of fuel in the car throughout testing; they never go for glory.

I have worked out what I think that fuel load was based on the difference in pace between the Red Bull in pre-season testing last year and what it did at the first race. McLaren do the same as Red Bull, although perhaps not to quite the same extent.

So, if you adjust, in the manner I have explained previously each driver's fastest time with the number of laps they did on each run and the estimated minimum fuel load that team runs in testing, you end up with list of outright performance from Barcelona testing - and thus, if you like, a predicted Melbourne grid - that looks like this:

1 Rosberg 1:19.730
2 Button 1:19.764
3 Vettel 1:19.797
4 Hamilton 1:19.886
5 Raikkonen 1:19.968
6 Alonso 1:20.004
7 Webber 1:20.113
8 Perez 1:20.348
9 Grosjean 1:20.498
10 Massa 1:20.576
11 Maldonado 1:20.705
12 Bottas 1:20.868
13 Sutil 1:21.247
14 Hulkenberg 1:21.341
15 Di Resta 1:21.464
16 Gutierrez 1:22.353
17 Vergne 1:22.823
18 Pic 1:22.915
19 Bianchi 1:22.967
20 Ricardo 1:23.138
21 Chilton 1:23.903
22 Van Der Garde 1:24.035

Watching out on the circuit, the Red Bull looks very strong. The Mercedes also looks good. And the Lotus is consistent.

Watching at the long, uphill quick right-hander at the Circuit de Catalunya's Turn Three, the Ferrari looks quite stiff at the rear. Whereas the McLaren's weakness through there is the front end.

The McLaren still has the inherent understeer it has had since the start of pre-season testing.

The Ferrari, meanwhile, looks very planted and strong on a one-lap run on new tyres but once the tyres start to go away it tends to start kicking the rear out.

Overall, it looks like being a great season. The field looks very tight and we will not know who is going to be on pole until we get to Melbourne.

And after qualifying, things might be different again in the race. And this is where McLaren might have a problem. Their race pace has not looked very good at all at the two Barcelona tests.

Why that should be, given that they looked stronger on high fuel at the first test in Jerez than on low fuel, I don't know.

It is one of many mysteries that make the level of anticipation ahead of the start of the new season all the higher.
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DHCanary · Mar 4, 2013

Cheers for that Forza, a couple of things struck me:
-Despite Mercedes apparently "going for it", Button and Vettel are supposedly within a tenth, and I think Vettel has performance to spare
-Pic and Bianchi splitting the Toro Rosso's is interesting. I know it's only a rough prediction, but I expected the "new" teams to still be significantly adrift. Fingers crossed they aren't to spice up Q1 a bit.

Oh, and nice job with the data BLS, does the Williams testing include when they ran the old car?

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