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diddles said:
Some more 'crackpot conspiracy theorist nuts' that state the 'truth' regarding 9/11 is a crock of **** ...

http://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evidence.html

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of architects, engineers, and affiliates dedicated to researching and disseminating scientific information about the complete destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, with the ultimate goal of obtaining a truly independent investigation and supporting the victims in their pursuit of justice


A thought provoking and insightful site that ask serious questions regarding the 'official story' - no doubt the same people who didn't watch the video link I posted in the opening thread will still think I'm a loon will not look at this site either <laugh>
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I'll just go on record to say I'm not gonna read it mate but I like you, you're one of my favourite posters <ok>
 
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**** knows what's happened with these quotes!

I've seen enough in my previous Lin of work to know how certain things work.

It doesn't mean I think I'm always right it just means I can overlook certain things and dismiss them from my own life, aside from imposing it on me and victims who don't deserve their loved ones being dragged up every few minutes by some new 'theory', people can believe what they like and I won't judge them based on how they choose to pass their time.
 
Did anyone see Eva Carneiro's brilliant run onto the pitch at the Bridge this weekend? It was a thing of beauty.

Cesar Azpilicueta went down with a "supposed lower body injury" in the first half, and Eva jumped immediately into action. To the naked eye it seemed like a very normal occurrence. Player hurt, physio arrives. Simple. But, one thing cannot be explained to my complete satisfaction tho. The Chelsea crowd seemed to Know in advance that this was the knock that would bring Eva on the pitch. As soon as Cesar went down, the entire stadium stood as one to enjoy the beauty of watching Eva run across the pitch, and lean over the "fallen" player to provide her special assistance. This, while the World watched. And yes, I mean the World. Cesar dropped at the precise spot where the camera's could provide the perfect close-up of her perfect derrière. It made no sense how quickly another cameraman seemed to pick her up leaving the bench immediately, as if he Knew she was going to be making her appearance at this precise moment. It looked to me as if everything was staged just perfectly.

Eva has become quite the star outside of England, and, the more she is exposed, TV ratings and worldwide viewership is skyrocketing. Coincidence? I think not. Sexism and profiteering within the FA? Well, I'll let you decide.
 
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The Outlaw said:
Did anyone see Eva Carneiro's brilliant run onto the pitch at the Bridge this weekend? It was a thing of beauty.

Cesar Azpilicueta went down with a "supposed lower body injury" in the first half, and Eva jumped immediately into action. To the naked eye it seemed like a very normal occurrence. Player hurt, physio arrives. Simple. But, one thing cannot be explained to my complete satisfaction tho. The Chelsea crowd seemed to Know in advance that this was the knock that would bring Eva on the pitch. As soon as Cesar went down, the entire stadium stood as one to enjoy the beauty of watching Eva run across the pitch, and lean over the "fallen" player to provide her special assistance. This, while the World watched. And yes, I mean the World. Cesar dropped at the precise spot where the camera's could provide the perfect close-up of her perfect derrière. It made no sense how quickly another cameraman seemed to pick her up leaving the bench immediately, as if he Knew she was going to be making her appearance at this precise moment. It looked to me as if everything was staged just perfectly.

Eva has become quite the star outside of England, and, the more she is exposed, TV ratings and worldwide viewership is skyrocketing. Coincidence? I think not. Sexism and profiteering within the FA? Well, I'll let you decide.
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What a mysterious world we live in... We are the pawns and masses being controlled by the upper powers of the FA.






BTW, brilliant <ok>
 
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I first saw loose change about 9 years ago in the wake of the 7-7 bombings (also very suspicious if anyone cares to look at that) and have been convinced by the unofficial conspiracy theory ever since (remember without any proof the 'official' story of what happened is also a conspiracy theory).
I'm a member of architects and engineers for 9-11 truth having graduated in 2005. studying buildings and their behavior in the years intervening 01-05 I know that a-symmetric damage would not cause symmetrical collapse. Isolated pockets of Fire would not cause entire structures to fail simultaneously.
It's painfully obvious that the official conspiracy doesn't hold water. It's disappointing more people don't heed the mountains of evidence but then why would they when the mainstream media never reports any of it.
The blatant attempts by the then US government to block, hinder and corrupt any official investigation were atrocious. It screams "cover up". Any attempt to defend the 'official' story just goes to show how willingly ignorant some people are.
Dr David Ray Griffin is the man who asks the most concise questions about 9-11. he has many lectures on YouTube.
 
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JohnHumbles said:
Correct, but i don't think they have been brought into question by the NIST report…

and please show your working out…<laugh>
Btw
this is off the NIST report.

“Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7,” Sunder said. The NIST investigation team also determined that other elements of the building’s construction—namely trusses, girders and cantilever overhangs that were used to transfer loads from the building superstructure to the columns of the electric substation (over which WTC 7 was constructed) and foundation below—did not play a significant role in the collapse.
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This evidence sounds like it has been compiled by a conspiracy theorists, with the language used being vague to say the least..

 
Ojo del Gato Negro said:
I first saw loose change about 9 years ago in the wake of the 7-7 bombings (also very suspicious if anyone cares to look at that) and have been convinced by the unofficial conspiracy theory ever since (remember without any proof the 'official' story of what happened is also a conspiracy theory).
I'm a member of architects and engineers for 9-11 truth having graduated in 2005. studying buildings and their behavior in the years intervening 01-05 I know that a-symmetric damage would not cause symmetrical collapse. Isolated pockets of Fire would not cause entire structures to fail simultaneously.
It's painfully obvious that the official conspiracy doesn't hold water. It's disappointing more people don't heed the mountains of evidence but then why would they when the mainstream media never reports any of it.
The blatant attempts by the then US government to block, hinder and corrupt any official investigation were atrocious. It screams "cover up". Any attempt to defend the 'official' story just goes to show how willingly ignorant some people are.
Dr David Ray Griffin is the man who asks the most concise questions about 9-11. he has many lectures on YouTube.
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It's a difficult conundrum for so many people to accept that any of the 9/11 alternative suppositions could be in fact 'the truth'
- it poses awkward questions that will in effect go against our most fundamental trust the faith in our Governments -it becomes challenged as 'our' country supposedly 'protects' and keeps us 'safe'.
Therefore it becomes inconsistent it manifest as a cognitive dissonance -resulting in fear and anxiety .
Our psychological defences kick in to protect us from these emotions- that of Denial.
 
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Diddles, I like you, I really do. Never have had a problem, always enjoyed your posts.

But, I am quite capable of subjective analysis of alternative 9/11 suppositions.

I am not suffering from fear and anxiety resulting from cognitive dissonance.

My pyschological defenses are not kicking in.

I simply think your conspiracy theory is total bullshit. Nothing more.
 
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Ojo del Gato Negro said:
I first saw loose change about 9 years ago in the wake of the 7-7 bombings (also very suspicious if anyone cares to look at that) and have been convinced by the unofficial conspiracy theory ever since (remember without any proof the 'official' story of what happened is also a conspiracy theory).
I'm a member of architects and engineers for 9-11 truth having graduated in 2005. studying buildings and their behavior in the years intervening 01-05 I know that a-symmetric damage would not cause symmetrical collapse. Isolated pockets of Fire would not cause entire structures to fail simultaneously.
It's painfully obvious that the official conspiracy doesn't hold water. It's disappointing more people don't heed the mountains of evidence but then why would they when the mainstream media never reports any of it.
The blatant attempts by the then US government to block, hinder and corrupt any official investigation were atrocious. It screams "cover up". Any attempt to defend the 'official' story just goes to show how willingly ignorant some people are.
Dr David Ray Griffin is the man who asks the most concise questions about 9-11. he has many lectures on YouTube.
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I'm fairly sure the official story is just a 'theory' not a conspiracy theory, technically. I get your point though.

If Conspiracy theorists would keep their 'revelations' factual, objective and impartial they'd hold a lot more water, but they're chucked in with all the bullshit, the hardened 'Yank haters' and the fantasists who blame everything on the Illuminati, automatically they then become very tedious. Rarely are these type of docs narrated by anybody worth their salt, they're always idiots with an axe to grind.

People who don't believe the conspiracies don't necessarily believe what the media tell them either, we have a right to dismiss the notion to entertain such 'revelations' though, we just don't seek anuntellable truth as much as other people might.
 
diddles said:
It's a difficult conundrum for so many people to accept that any of the 9/11 alternative suppositions could be in fact 'the truth'
- it poses awkward questions that will in effect go against our most fundamental trust the faith in our Governments -it becomes challenged as 'our' country supposedly 'protects' and keeps us 'safe'.
Therefore it becomes inconsistent it manifest as a cognitive dissonance -resulting in fear and anxiety .
Our psychological defences kick in to protect us from these emotions- that of Denial.
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You're quite right
"Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
- Thomas Jefferson
 
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Typical_Terry said:
I'm fairly sure the official story is just a 'theory' not a conspiracy theory, technically. I get your point though.

If Conspiracy theorists would keep their 'revelations' factual, objective and impartial they'd hold a lot more water, but they're chucked in with all the bullshit, the hardened 'Yank haters' and the fantasists who blame everything on the Illuminati, automatically they then become very tedious. Rarely are these type of docs narrated by anybody worth their salt, they're always idiots with an axe to grind.

People who don't believe the conspiracies don't necessarily believe what the media tell them either, we have a right to dismiss the notion to entertain such 'revelations' though, we just don't seek anuntellable truth as much as other people might.
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There are always idiots who take things too far and there's always wild speculation thrown in too - you need to sift through all that looking at the hard facts (basic laws of physics being my anchor point).
Bearing in mind minus any physical evidence all anyone can go on is theoretical even those who give us the official account and those who debunk anyone questioning this story.
As for the 'messengers', you may want to listen to the likes of Dr David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Dr Steven Jones, Richard Gage, even bat-****-crazy David Icke. They're all with their salt imo.
 
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Ojo del Gato Negro said:
There are always idiots who take things too far and there's always wild speculation thrown in too - you need to sift through all that looking at the hard facts (basic laws of physics being my anchor point).
Bearing in mind minus any physical evidence all anyone can go on is theoretical even those who give us the official account and those who debunk anyone questioning this story.
As for the 'messengers', you may want to listen to the likes of Dr David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Dr Steven Jones, Richard Gage, even bat-****-crazy David Icke. They're all with their salt imo.
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Like I've said previously mate, I don't have to do that, I'm not inclined to submerge myself into something that reaps no reward for me personally. I could expand my knowledge on the situation, I could delve into every theory going and piece together my own opinion, but I choose to use my time in a different way.

There are people who will tell me they've had conversations with ghosts, people who claim they've been touched by a supernatural force, what am I supposed to do with them people? Do I fight against things they've said they've done and seen, or do I just let them get on with it? Inside I know they haven't, never ever, but where does it get me to tell them that?

I don't argue with people's opinions on stuff, unless they're either trying to force it on me, or they're being insensitive to the victims, at an inappropriate time.
 
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Edited cos original point already made. But what about [HASHTAG]#opdeatheaters[/HASHTAG], any of you familiar with this? More conspiracy bullshit or a massive and long standing cover up of *****sadistic abuse rings in the upper echelons of society?
 
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