JFK - the facts...

Okay so it's safe to say that the majority of us are far from thrilled with our new Director of Football. However he's here now so as usual him, Pardew and the club will need our continued support. So let's look at the facts:

Kinnear's record as our manager reads Played 24, Won 5, Drawn 10, Lost 9. A win ratio of 21%. Hardly inspiring stuff, but the fact remains he's not our manager, he's our Director of Football so his managerial record with us becomes irrelevant.

His main remit is to bring the best possible players to SJP and his record in this area is okay.

He signed Nolan, R Taylor and Lovenkrands for a combined 6 million. I would class all three as above average signings, especially Nolan and Taylor. Under his reign we sold N'Zogbia & Given. For me Given would have left at the end of that season anyway plus we had Harper and Krul so we had plenty of depth in that area, that sale made sense. As for N'Zogbia it was clear he wanted out, yes Kinnear got his name wrong but Sir Bobby did this with players on a daily basis and nobody batted an eyelid. N'Zogbia blew it all out of proportion just to engineer a move.

Another job Kinnear has apparently been tasked with is to develop our style of play. Again I think the majority of us would agree that at best we could have been described as 'ugly' to watch last season. So given that performance wise our style of play couldn't get any worse from last season he can surely only help in this area. Or at worst make no improvement, as frankly we were hideous on the eye.

Again like him or not he's also passionate and old school so you'll know he'll give the job 100% effort. Now I'm not saying I agree with the appointment, just that it can't do us any harm. Quite a few of us have been calling for british players to be signed, well two of the three players he brought to the club were british and all three had experience of british football.

I'm just saying that it's obvious (for whatever reason) that Pardew needed help at times last season. He's now got that with Kinnear, only time will tell if that help proves good enough but for the time being we have to once again get behind Pardew, Kinnear, Ashley Llambias if we want to give our club the best possible chance of achieving their/our goals.

I've calmed down a bit now and I'm simply taking the view that given how bad we were last season this move can only do more good than harm. As for Pardew and Kinnear and their relationship, well I'm sure they both feel somewhat lucky/privileged to have the jobs that they do so I'm sure they'll do their best to make it work. I mean let's face it, Pardew will never again manage a club as big as us again and Kinnear is probably at his last ever football club, they both have no choice but to make it work, they're both passionate and do actually share some similar personallity traits (both are slightly arrogant). It could even work when you actually sit down and look at the facts.

 

That was also the transfer window we struggled to get the players we wanted resulting in transfer deadline day a panic 8m bid for man city Michael Johnson a player who has since retired.
His dynamic performance helped us go down and his style of play is long ball
Bar that we look in great shape

 

The facts are he was useless won like 4 games out of over 20, he also knew exactly what he was doing when he called N'Zogbia, Insomnia, you could tell by the way he smirked straight afterwards.

 

But at that time Johnson was one of the hottest properties in English football.

 

It certainly raised eye brows back then

 

This is nothing other than a pi$$take, as usual, and Ashley is banking on the fact he can have a good ol' chuckle as our attitude of "well, let's get behind them" will always prevail. In my opinion, we need to take a stand this time. It's a disgrace, we might as well bring in Ian Huntleigh to work with the academy and rename the Gallowgate the Sir Jimmy Saville stand. No reason other than 'because he can'. It's all about power to this guy, it's a constant "fck you" for what happened after the pint-downing and the turning on him as owner. He has made the club self-sufficient so that he can enjoy free SD.com advertising, with no other reason. His money is safe, it's all written down as being owed and he can take it whenever he likes. He's no saviour of this club, he's a fcking cancer and "supporting the team" isn't going to help.

 

I don't think it's going to work. How can it?
He's worked in the game what; 3 months in the last 9 years?
He can't possibly have the contacts required to sign talented young players which leaves him with the old, "experienced" ones like Lovenkrands and Nolan, a strategy which we have apparently moved away from.
Tactically the game has moved on since his "success years". Pardew struggled to adapt and he's been in management the 9 years Kinnear's been out.
Recruitment, no foreign talent's going to have a clue what he's on about, he doesn't know the area so can't sell it and his foul mouth will put the rest off.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike's just said look, I paid you x amount to manage us, you said you could handle it, you got ill, that's not my fault, you're better now, you owe me.

 

Yeah but last time we turned on the owner and protested we got relegated, it doesn't achieve anything positive. Unconditional love for a football club is part of being a supporter I'm afraid. Got to support the lads through the good times and the bad times.

 

What casino(s) is Llambias in charge of?

Anyone else fancy getting their coaching badges, then nipping down the casino and racking up some debt?

Seems the sure fire way to getting a coaching job at NUFC these days.

 

Rubbish, absolute rubbish. Ashley appointed Keegan, screwed Keegan, appointed Kinnear. He fcked this club all on his own with no prompting from the fans. Shambolic mismanagement by Ashley mainly led to relegation, we protested long after his multitude of bafflingly sh"t decisions. The fans were one of the main reasons this club got back in the Premier League, but don't believe that Ashley wanted the club in the Prem League for the good of the fans; it's all down to profits. Tell me what his options were? Sell a Championship club at what would be a significant loss, or invest a little (mainly salaries) to get back up and then get the club self-sustaining. But he's a man who holds a grudge - just look at his history with Whelan. And his grudge seems to be against this club. I mean, I'm guessing, and it doesn't make a whole heap of sense - but what does? The only thing that does make sense is to try our best to get this w@nker out.

 

Has the club commented yet?

At the risk of upsetting a few, I don't think its that big of a deal. Just looks like jobs for the boys if true. Certainly no reason to start hoying the toys out and claiming a protest is in order. If true just get on with it and support the club. Worst things have happened before and since.

 

Agreed. At first I was raging, but when I actually stopped to think about it, this appointment shouldn't actually change too much about us. Pardew still picks the team and the tactics, Kinnear just has the final say on transfers. However I'm pretty sure Carr will still have massive input and we're all happy with the job he's doing.

I imagine Kinnear will go to Carr (after confirming with Pardew where the team they intend to strengthen) and say I want a left back, who have you scouted and who can you recommend for this position, Carr will then give a dossier of say 3/4 players and Kinnear will then scout them himself and sign the one he feels is the best option.

I really can't see it affecting too much when you actually think about it rationally.

 

Every media outlet, every football reporter is all just aghast. You even have people like Linekar and Gabby Logan expressing utter disbelief. It's completely one-sided and the only ones who have to bear the cross are us. I'm so embarrassed and I'm just sat on a laptop at home, I haven't done anything!

 

Rubbish. Everyone thinks we're fcking idiots, man!

 

Careful Nedders you'll end up having a Joe Kinnear

 

This appears to be the gist of his job.
I just can't imagine Kinnear being the type of guy to go to a football game to scope a player and rate his ability.
Completely focused on the one player but having the wherewithal to inadvertently scout a unpolished gem.
I see him as the sort of person who drops a few pints, spends a bit of time thinking about whether to go for a piss at half time or ten mins before. Pie or hotdog? Pie or hotdog/ Pie or hotdog? Then getting distracted by the remarkable increase of attractive young women at football matches compared to ten years ago.

 

But given our current set up of only signing players that are scouted/recommended by Carr can you explain how it's actually going to change how we operate???

I just don't think that much will change. A DoF if far from uncommon these days. Nobody was complaining when be brought Keegan back and he'd been out of the game for years.

I'm a happier man when the toon win three points on a saturday afternoon, I'll therefore be backing the lads, the the manager, the DoF, the chief scout and the tea lady as a positive atmosphere at the club and amongst the fans gives the lads the best chance of achieving the three points that give me a buzz like no other.

 

I don't think I've been in this much disbelief since....erm....since....agck....<clutching chest smiley>

 

Seriously?! It will change how we operate because this fcking fool will be manager before Xmas. It's sickening, man, and I've had 5 hours or so to "think about it". I said elsewhere that football is about hope and aspiration, faith and belief. This destroys ALL of that. I don't know how anyone can keep calm!

This is a club that marched on SJP when Cole was sold. Now we're supposed to think "y'know, this might be a good thing". The article about Cabaye is right - we're the biggest bunch of bum bandits this side of the sun. We bend over and Ashley reaches for a cactus - we then say "y'know, maybe this is a good thing - colonic irrigation is supposed to be healthy". Sure, keep optimism but not when someone's essentially fcking your own mother.

 

Just a little bit... Given his general attitude, footballing credentials, ill-health and ability to fit c***, w*****, f*** and t*** into a sentence more frequently than even the most tourette-riddled rapper, I think he's relatively unlikely to interview well... I'd really like to know who these supposed "other candidates" were

Quite frankly, this isn't something that I think deserves to be shrugged off as inconsequential or just one of those cheeky things our lovable owner does, it's the f-ing equivalent of having Caligula as our owner, and somebody has got to step in and get their hands dirty before we have his horse as the next manager.

Now, I'm not the most mutinous of fellows, but enough's enough. We need a fool-proof plan to end the madness and install Tash-tus as dictator immediately.