Tom Ince

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If Ince wants guaranteed 1st team football he can stay at Blackpool on the crap money they are known to pay. If he wants to step into the Premier with the wage increases that follow, then I can't imagine ML guaranteeing him anything other than a place in the squad and a fight to get into the starting 11.

Is he really better than what we have already? £7 mill ..... take a hike.
 
Shaper, I agree £7m is a big fee but we can't compare every signing with Michu (£2m). If we did we'd never sign anyone again.
 
I agree - that Michu comparison is a non-starter. That said, only £5.5M was paid for two top class players and full internationals in Ki and Hernandez respectively. Just shows what we've known all along - Brit players are well over-priced and £7M seems a lot to me. £5M is pushing it but that's already been rejected by Blackpool.
 
No way should we pay £7 million. The lad is a hot prospect but no more than that. For all we know he's playing at his peak right now and may struggle to improve. I agree that as we've been paying £5.5 million for established internationals, then this asking price is far too high. Leave him there for that sort of money. He might come good and triple in value sometime down the line but we do not have the financial clout to take that sort of a gamble.

I think our signing of Michu might be counter-productive in future. I'm guessing that Spanish clubs will take the view that every player they've got could be a potential Michu, so are beefing their prices accordingly.
 
swimaway said:
If Ince wants guaranteed 1st team football he can stay at Blackpool on the crap money they are known to pay. If he wants to step into the Premier with the wage increases that follow, then I can't imagine ML guaranteeing him anything other than a place in the squad and a fight to get into the starting 11.

Is he really better than what we have already? £7 mill ..... take a hike.
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No pay a slight premium to the Spanish clubs to free up the players we are keen on there instead of waiting until the summer.
 
VETCHETARIAN said:
"so are beefing their prices accordingly".

Who can blame them,Ivor?
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I don't blame them, Vetch, but of course not every Spanish player we sign will replicate Michu's success. In fact I would say that he is a one off. As Yankee says, pay more money now to get the signings we want, so long as it isn't a fortune extra. We need more quality and more depth and we need it now to ensure that we stay in this league. That isn't a foregone conclusion yet and we won't be signing anyone at the end of the season if we fail to do that.
 
he was their best player by a country mile and he caused us alot of problems when they played us pre season, saying that it was only a pre season no-one at their sharpest
 
£7m is too much unless they agree to £3-4m upfront with the remainder paid according to appearances and assists made etc.
Sinclair was about £6.5m upfront and he's a far more experienced player (well not playing now but **** him). :wink:

With regards Spanish clubs beefing up their prices then I agree with Ivor to an extent, but on the other hand many of them need money to stay afloat and that means accepting lower fees. When the wolf is at the door and all that.... Don't forget that the big two Spanish teams aside there is little money in La Liga at the moment.

Also some of our possible targets already have minimum release triggers (Michu had one for £2.2m so they couldn't play hardball with us, they were obliged to sell). These players know that the cheaper the transfer fee the more likely it is that will get a move to the big money in the Premier League (worth something like £80m per team from next season). Their agents will not allow high value release clauses or extended contracts.

The viKING tm will have a fair idea of the clubs worth looking at in the Spanish League already so expect a few more bargains to come. <ok>:smile:
 
I heard M.L. on radio earlier,Ivor, and he was suggesting that any new signings may even take place in the last hours of the last day of the window. If that's the case there will be no time to obtain clearance for them to play.
Of course,he could have been playing to reporter. He's a deep one,that's for sure. All will be revealed in the fullness of time.
I agree with Yankee's point of view.
There is still much to do to achieve safety.
 
Our Laudrup plays his cards close to his chest so talk shyte radio would be one of the last to know whats really going on in his head i would hope .
 
I like the player.
Being young and British we are not going to get good value for him, nor anyone else.
£7 million doesn't make sense if Liverpool were bidding £5 million as Liverpool were receiving some of that transfer fee back due to a sell on clause....even if that was taken into account and the bid was £5 million above the sell on clause why would we bump it up by £2 million instead of say £500k? Don't believe the story.
If we were to get him for £5/6 million I'd be pleased. He's young has pace and knows where the net is....I get the sense he is very ambitious....and he is a talent that is desired by lots of other clubs. If he signed for us it would be somewhat of a coup.
But most important is that he is British. We need more of these....and Dyer has been utter ****e this year (and that's from someone who felt he was our most dangerous player last season!).
Laudrup always said he wanted 4 wingers.
 
I agree that we can't compare every transfer to Michu, I was merely making the point that there is quite a gulf between the players around (here, Spain or anywhere) that we could get who have some top level experience. Ince is looking like a world beater in the Championship, but so was Sinclair and we could all see how anonymous he went in some of the games against quality opposition.
I think that £5m should be a fair throw. Danny Graham didn't cost that and he was the top scorer the season we went up. Scott Sinclair didn't cost that and he was the second top scorer that season (when we turned the Chelsea loan deal into a purchase).
 
For £7 million, we could probably get better quality in foreign leagues. However, he probably couldn't do any worse than Nathan Dyer is at the moment.
 
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