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Ask Princess - September 2012

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Ron, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. PNkt

    PNkt Well-Known Member

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    I saw him at Warren Place back in July. He's a gorgeous, big horse so my guess is that he won't be seen until the back end of the season. We saw him do a routine canter with two other companions, so he's certainly been in work. Racing Post don't usually add a horse to their database until it receives its first entry, hence why he's not on there yet.
     
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  2. Istabraq

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    Thanks for that Princess. I'll keep a look out...
     
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  3. PNkt

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    Speaking of Sir Henry, a colleague of mine saw him in a Newmarket bistro on Friday evening last week. The establishment concerned is run by Sir Henry's step-daughter. My colleague didn't want to disturb his supper so commented to his step-daughter that it was nice to see him out and about. She replied that he was doing well and responding to his treatment.

    Great news!
     
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  4. Janabelle13

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    That's good news to hear PN
     
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    That is great news.
     
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  6. OddDog

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    Not a question but a link to an interesting article on sporting life here

    You probably knew all this already Princess ;)
     
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  7. GGW

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    PN I'm really sorry can you explain the numbers it's making my head hurt trying to figure them out!
     
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  8. PNkt

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    No problem! It does take a bit of time to get your head round.

    Breeding 2x3 means the same horse appears in both the second and third generations of a horse's pedigree, so for a theoretical foal by Sea the Stars out of a Galileo mare:

    Sire Side:

    Generation 0 - foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - Sea The Stars (son of)
    Generation 2 - Urban Sea

    Dam Side:

    Generation 0 - foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - dam (daughter of)
    Generation 2 - Galileo (son of)
    Generation 3 - Urban Sea


    For the Frankel cross with Danehill mares you would have:

    Sire Side

    Generation 0 - foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - Frankel (son of)
    Generation 2 - Kind (daughter of)
    Generation 3 - Danehill

    Dam Side

    Generation 0 - foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - Dam (daughter of)
    Generation 2 - Danehill


    The Northern Dancer bit is slightly more complicated as you have to take Frankel into account twice:

    Dam Side

    Generation 0 - Foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - Dam (daughter of)
    Generation 2 - Danehill (son of)
    Generation 3 - Northern Dancer

    Sire Side - Sire line

    Generation 0 - Foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - Frankel (son of)
    Generation 2 - Galileo (son of)
    Generation 3 - Sadler's Wells (son of)
    Generation 4 - Northern Dancer

    Sire Side - Dam line

    Generation 0 - Foal (son/daughter of)
    Generation 1 - Frankel (son of)
    Generation 2 - Kind (daughter of)
    Generation 3 - Danehill (son of)
    Generation 4 - Northern Dancer


    Any clearer?!
     
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  9. Ron

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    That's very clear Princess. Is there a way of identifying/extracting horses that meet criteria for a specified sire/dam?
     
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  10. GGW

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    Makes sense up to Northern Dancer <laugh> Thanks PN gonna get a piece of A4 and make an actual chart for the Northern Dancer bit so I can see what's going on.
     
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  11. PNkt

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    Ron, someone somewhere must keep records along those lines, but I'm not sure where to look!

    GGW this link will show you Frankel's pedigree in table format. The horses that appear more than once are colour-coded.

    On this page I've managed to put together a hypothetical mating between Frankel and Banks Hill (a daughter of Danehill). As you can see, the resulting foal is inbred to 10 different horses in varying degrees.
     
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  12. PNkt

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    Sunday&#8217;s Racing Post had a Newmarket Gallop Watch which mentioned MORPHEUS, Frankel&#8217;s 2yo half-brother by Oasis Dream. It read:

    &#8220;Before he put his illustrious elder sibling through his paces on the Rowley Mile, Tom Queally enjoyed a gentle breeze on Frankels&#8217; two year old half-brother on the Al Bahathri. By Oasis Dream, the youngster is expected to make his debut next month.&#8221;


    On other matters, I had intended to put up a preview of this week&#8217;s Goffs Orby Yearling Sale but my computer has crashed and I have lost the file I had written up in advance! If I get the chance I will try to pull something together.
     
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  13. GGW

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    Fantastic PN and very helpful. Seeing it like that make it much easier to understand for simpletons such as myself! Many thanks.
     
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