Am I the only one that doesn't give a ****? (England)

The media feed the media. For years they ram it down our throats that Rooney etc are "world class", and when we all see for ourselves that they aren't, they say that such players simply weren't trying and people have no choice but to agree...

"World Class" should be eradicated from newspapers, a long with all erroneous or subjective terms, because they allow journalists to write what they want with impunity. Either clearly define it and stick to that definition, or else just stop it. Journalism is far too sensational, which shows just how dumb our education has left us.

I think a collection of Not606ers could write better constructed articles than trashy journalists ever will.

 

Agree with this, I thought the attitude and commitment of the England players was the best it has been for a while I can honestly say I'm the most optimistic I've been about England since the early days of Sven.

 

Well said

 

Nicely put.
As far as i could see the players put in plenty of effort and showed plenty of pride. We are not good enough so went to the tournament to play to the strengths we had at our disposal. In so doing we drew with the well fancied France team and if not for a missed open goal by Milner early on would have beaten them. We had our first compeditive win over Sweden and beat one of the notoriously hard to beat host nations in a very hostile atmosphere to win our group.
As for Italy they kept possesion very well and dominated the play and created more up front. Having said that they out classed us by scoring ..... er .... no goals in 120 minutes of football. Hmmm really dominant. Whilst outclassed for football our tactics almost worked again as we certainly had our chances to score. Welbeck should have first half as Johnson also went close. Rooney should also have scored second half with a header from Gerrards free kick. I also think Mike Williamson will have wondered how England didnt get a penalty on more than one occaision as Italys "classy" defenders outclassed John Terry to the ground, one of them doing it then diving and incredibly getting the free kick.
I'm not looking through rose coloured specs just saying we wernt really so bad and did play with pride to the best we could. No real dispute with Italy winning due to better overall football although galling to lose on pens yet again.
Take a more realistic approach to football now so not absolutely gutted but sad nonetheless and will always get behind the team and am entitled to dream ha ha used to it supporting the Toon.

 

Haha, you really need to calm down mate. Have a drink. Have a cigarette or a joint. Have a ****.

I used to get slaughtered for making comments like that directed at users that are just stating their opinions, and rightly so.

I will support a team that have players with heart, even if it's technical performance was ****. I mean howay, since I became a proper Newcastle fan, and got really into it, Newcastle have been ****e up until the last couple of years or so.

I loved Newcastle United 20x as much around the CC season, than the few years before when we had ****s just turning up for their pay checks in the team.

And in the England team of the last 10 years or so, I've basically seen what Newcastle used to be like before we got relegated. Little heart, little spirit, a few young sparks with heart that made me have some hope.

Players like Carroll and Oxlaide Chamberlain are the only thing really keeping me slightly interested in England. It warms the heart when I see them play, but It's got to the point now where I really am starting to get disillusioned from the England national team, and I have to find reasons to still give a **** about it. The fact that it's my country isn't really a great reason.

I don't just support Newcastle because they're my local team. The away fans are what really got me into the club, and also the spirit around the place from the CC season onwards. I also like to see young talents coming through the ranks and showing heart and fighting for their futures. It keeps my faith with football.

 

Rep for that comment when I can.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tash. again.

 

I think you are mistaking forthrightness for being wound up Tash. As I say there is just no two way about this time, you're just plain wrong. Only a baffoon would think that England team didn't play with heart and passion. To a man they put it all in. They just weren't good enough. As I say fans like yourself are the ones that England don't need. That is not a personal insult. Your fairweather as far as England goes, and you're not alone. Previously it has been right on occasion to accuse the team of not being together or maybe not caring enough. Nowhere near as much as the media would have you believe, but justified on occasion. This time the players stepped up to the plate and put in 110%. Then we have the same fairweather fans who instead of using their brain and realising its quality we lack, accusing them of the same old ****e as before. When the cap fits that's fine. To me being a fan is getting behind your team no matter what. **** I even get behind the Englands I don't have faith in in terms of commitment. I'm English afterall. To not get behind them because there are better teams is just piss poor to be honest.

You're not an England fan and never have been Tash. You're a Newcastle fan and fairweather England with a passing interest to moan about the national team. There are an awful lot of those types in this country.

 

Disagree with the bit in bold. Why should we care about the national team, just because we grew up in this country? I've never cared for the English national team (Or any national team as it goes), I'll watch them as I enjoy watching football, but I have no feelings if they lose, draw or win. Supporting a national team just doesn't appeal to me.

 

All I'd like to see is an England team that adapts to the tactics of its' native league. I agree that quarter final is our level with those players, but conceding possession in every game isn't really what you'd hope for. All I saw/read were the same things - Parker/Gerrard knackered and overrun, but not once did we bother to stick Parker in DM, then play Gerrard AND Henderson in front. It just surprises me that every player in that starting eleven is more at home with the 4-5-1/4-3-3 varied tactic, yet Hodgson deployed 4-4-2 every game.

 

Everything that is wrong with youth of this nation summed up in one sentence

 

Aye, just because some of us don't care about a national football team, we're wrong Again, just because we're born here doesn't mean we have to be all patriotic and support the national team. I have no affinity to this country, I don't feel at home here and never have, why should I feel like I HAVE to support the national team?

 

To be fair Ammy if you feel that way, then that is fair enough. The problem that people have is that they feel people have lost interest and don't care because of what has happened over the last 6 years.

 

Not to mention dissociation from divergent religious attitudes and alienation from dislocated government...

It's completely understandable that English people don't give a **** about supporting England.

1. We have a monarchy, tradition of bloodshed for Empire, god-appointed unquestionable and non-democratically elected head of state. Culture shifts have made her irrelevant to some, like myself. There's no argument that anyone can put forward to suggest she's worthy of being here, and I've heard some decent attempts. The most recent being that it ties into "National identity"... Hahaha Because countries who formerly had a monarchy no longer have identity...
It's hard to get behind a national side who believe the Queen needs to be saved above all others. How much more passionate I would be if we sung of joining arms as a NATION, people of a democratic entity for a common cause. Until her majesty is hitting 30 yarders ever match, **** her.

2. The government resides in London, the Games went to London, England Rugby and Football play in London. It's hardly surprising that local areas feel disenfranchised when it comes to National teams. Cricket is much much better at bringing the Nation together because they tour. "Club comes before country" in football.

3. St Georges day is barely celebrated. Our National days are to celebrate the aforementioned moldy old bat. If you don't care about her Royal lying face, you aren't going to care about the patriotism of the day. Every other part of Britain is entirely different when it comes to national days.

4. The England manager never goes further than 300 yards from his London flat, so clearly the North is not part of England's considerations.

5. The relatively few English players in our league aren't as good as the foreign players, so if you're used to watching good football played by better foreign lads, why should anyone care about seeing technically inferior overrated players?

All fair reasons to me why I might not be as interested as I could be.

 

It's things like this which make me wonder why I even waste my energy on you. You need to read what I'm saying properly, I never said or implied that England's performances affect my loyalty to it. As long as there's passion there, I can get into it.

If someone is just making a point, and being relaxed when talking to you, don't be a disrespectful bellend back, because even though you might not be called me names, but you're making comments that are disrespectful. If you disagree then fine, you're entitled to do that. Just reply with a bit more respect.

I support England, but It's gotten to the point where I just wonder why I even bother watching the games. I agree to you to an extent, I'm not really a massive England fan, but something always makes me watch England games and makes me want to get behind the team, and it's not just because I like to moan about it. I still feel good inside when I see England score, and feel a bit **** when we concede, but I have to admit that when we were knocked out yesterday, and I personally just didn't care, I tried to care, but I couldn't.

Heck if I stopped supporting teams because they weren't one of the best or didn't win things, I'd not even Acknowledge Newcastle United.

Maybe it's because Euro 2012 isn't really a big thing for me, and I prefer the World Cup. The feeling and the atmosphere around that competition is way better for me, and I find it almost as exciting as the Premier League.

I was up and down the house with emotion when England played Germany in the 2nd round of the World cup. I remember when we should have been back to 2-2 but we got the goal line decision given against us. I felt absolute joy and rage within a few seconds.

I never said the whole team were ****s, and I made the point that young players playing with passion and heart is one of the main reasons I still give a **** about England. But most of them, to me, don't give me the impression that they care that much.

I personally think it's a shame Ox and Carroll get more time. We looked like a much more energetic, dangerous and mentally strong team with them.

I aint a die hard England fan, but I do care.

 

I watched the football last night and I learned some interesting things.

1. That I can never be a pundit. Clearly I was watching another game as to what Hansen, Shearer and Dixon were.

2. Bringing on Carroll to score goals but taking off Milner, about the only person who can cross the ball, is an inspired move that I had never considered.

3. That England need only one half-functioning full back. Terry, despite being old and decrepid, is clearly so good that the other three can go missing and even help Terry stay fit by playing Italians onside.

4. If Carroll could never get the service needed all season at Liverpool then clearly Hodson saw something in the England squad that would change all that.

5. Rooney`s diving is getting more and more extravagent.

6. That football fans all over the country will look at their journeymen clod footed English forwards, such as Shola Ameobi and Leon Best (who just moved to Blackburn), and wonder why they didn`t get a game.

7. That England only looked good in the first half because they controlled the midfield. It was, therefore, most unsporting of the Italians to, at half time, address this issue by doing something that only Foreigners Would Do and Change Tactics.

8. That no matter how much studying of Italian penalties for the past 30 years the keeper will still dive the wrong way for 80% of the time.

9. That studying penalty kicks from the past 30 years is a good tactic in case Italy bring on a 58 year old striker for extra time and the penalties.

 

It would have been a different story if Perch had gone.

 

In Best's case it's probably because he's Irish. Officially.

 

Point 2 and 4

Even when Wembley was redeveloped they fell into the same trap of game after game at OT. NE got 2 ALBANIA and someone else at SOL

 

Indeed but I do confess to having wrote that in the early hours of this morning on my third bottle of red and it was incredible enough that I could remember my name, his name and asking for his nationality; well that ability went about a bottle and half earlier, I am afraid.

 

I actually have been enjoying the Euros more than I thought I would. And I think England did quite well to be fair. They came top in their group and took Italy to penalties. Had the draw been different they could well have made the semis, so overall not a bad effort. Sure, maybe at times they looked a bit rough, but Roy's just started as manager, so hopefully they can build on this start. At any rate, they didn't just roll over; coming back from behind against Sweden or playing a full 120 against Italy for example.