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Pardew Confirms "No Striker in Jan"

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  1. holystone

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    Me and Bano are handing the baton on to you. Cheers
     
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  2. Munstertoon

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    I would hope so, as I am a partner in one.

    Who says that Ashley would be undermining Llambias' authority by overtaking decisions he has made? The decisions will be joint ones, but with Ashley having the final say. Who says so? Alan Pardew; that's who.

    As for the "decisons and strategies" the club is making, I'm a firm believer that they are for the financial betterment of Ashley's business empire and nothing else. Why should we expect that they should be for any other reason? Ashley is a former county squash player from Hertfordshire, with no previous links with football or the North East.

    Maybe I'll be proved wrong. Indeed I'll be very happy for that to happen. However, I don't trust the guy, and probably most NUFC fans have the same nagging doubts, at the back of their minds, if they're honest.
     
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  3. goldie

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    Well I'll be proved correct and once again.
     
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  4. Chappaz

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    Well, you're obviously not, otherwise you would understand that the MD is there to manage the business - especially when the owner is a billionaire with many other businesses in a giant portfolio.

    Who says it? It's just a fact. You hire an MD to take control of the business. If the owner overrides any of the managing directors decisions, then he's undermining his authority in a big way.

    Right, so why does that conflict with the notion that Llambias is calling the shots? Ashley sees the club as a business, and Llambias has been hired by Ashley as an MD with business management experience. Ashley obviously has a vague target which he wants Llambias to achieve, so when Llambias formulates his tactics, his rules and his strategies, Ashley will let him do what he's there for.

    Whilst Ashley controls the overall direction of the club, it will be Llambias calling the shots on day-to-day activities. This means that if Ashley wanted to invest a little bit of his cash on a few players, he's likely to avoid undermining the plan Llambias has put in place.

    I honestly believe that Ashley is likely to get quite excited by the football, and perhaps tempted to invest more money when he sees potential. However, Llambias is the hard-nosed business manager who will always be bending Ashley's ear and keeping everything so rigid.
     
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  5. Donkey Toon

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    I wouldn't expect humility from you. You are so full of **** and false pride there is no room for anything else.
     
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  6. DuD

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    Let me get this straight.

    So if Saylor wasn't injured, we wouldn't buy anyone in January according to logic?
    Didn't Lambarse say we would definitely get a striker in January anyway?

    My optimistic side says this could be mind games or some crap like that, but I doubt it.
     
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  7. Munstertoon

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    I am a partner in a business, on Teesside, and we haven't gone bust yet, so we must be doing something right!!

    I see no point in continuing a debate with someone who doesn't know me from Adam, but feels capable of effectively caling me a liar. As for your point of view, it is purely based on conjecture, as you have no better idea than me as to how the NUFC business model is set up.

    I do know that at the Boro, Steve Gibson installed an employee he could trust, called Keith Lamb, as MD, but Gibson called the shots, especially when it came to signing players. Why should that not be the case with NUFC, especially when Llambias's background is in running casinos, not anythinh to do with football.

    We'll see what transpires, shall we?
     
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  8. Beatski

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    you're doing something terribly wrong too
     
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  9. Smudger

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    If Saylor wasnt injured I think we'd buy a striker in Jan and no CB. As it happens, CB has became priority.
     
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  10. Donkey Toon

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    I'm with munstertoon on this. Yes DL has been appointed as MD and yes he will have authority over most day to day decisions at the club. However, he will be running under a remit from the owner which will define what a day to day decision is and this will be especially well defined where financial decisions are concerned.

    I would also suggest that the buying and selling of players, as the key assets of the club, would not be defined as day to day decisions and would require board/owner backing.

    This would be true in any multi-million pound business but in a fragile one like a professional sports club the usual rules become even more stringent.

    To put it in perspective no company worth its salt would give an MD permission to authorise a capital purchase higher than 2 or 3% of the Annual Turnover of the business without referring it to a Board of Directors for approval. In NUFC terms that is about £3m. When you also factor in the huge wages attached to any signing the non-capital expenses (e.g. wages) would also probably rule out an MD's authorisation as well so I also would expect him to have to get approval for free signings as well.

    Ashley is a strange beast so may be bucking the trend ... but i'd be amazed if that was the case. Llambias is just another cog in the machine as far as i'm concerned.
     
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  11. goldie

    goldie Well-Known Member

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    exactly
     
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  12. I Bleed Black & White

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    Hang on matey, what happened to your mackem avatar?
     
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    Did you get the movements of the last window correct did you? And predict we'd sell Carroll? If so, I apologise.

    However, the club admitting to a buy to sell policy is them simply being more overt than most. I'd rather sign Ba, Cabaye and Santon knowing that of we sold them we'd make a killing and the club could reinvest rather than piss away £30m odd on Crouch, Palacios and Jerome knowing you will get nothing from them at the end of their time at the club. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather not sell anyone, but the premier league is a money pit, where owners lose money in general so I do not begrudge a prudent approach post Shepherd.

    It's not as if everyone is actively up for sale, nor have we been out hard-selling our young players to all and sundry. I think 2 will go in January, but one will be Smith.

    As for the no striker thing, I heard this a while ago from a good source. The story goes that the only way we'd bring a striker in is of Tiote is sold, and since the club are asking a ludicrous amount to ward people off, that is extremely unlikely. A centre half or left back who can play there - which is the preference - is all we will get. Apparently said defender will be decent though.
     
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    What mackem avatar? :bandit:
     
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    What's this about you being an unwashed? Here's me thinking you were a Toon lad????????
     
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  16. 5 Goals 1 Hat Trick 11 Heroes-NUFC4LIFE

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    From NUFC.com

    PS : NUFC MD Derek Llambias, speaking on BBC Radio Newcastle, November 11th 2011 (before Steven Taylor's season-ending injury):

    "We have had an exceptional year, and long may it continue, but the fans want us to buy more players.

    "We need to bring in a striker in January, we will need replacements in the summer and we need to give ourselves as much as possible."
     
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  17. DuD

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    I am, I am, GOD DAMN IT I AM! <wah>
     
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  18. Cheick Mate

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    The conclusion is that the owner wont spend money on two players, it was either going to be a striker or a defender and now Saylor is out - its going to be a defender. Strange since Lover is leaving in Jan.

    What date did Saylor get injured and what date did Maiga 'fail a medical?'.

    A very, very poor way to run a football club. If Ba gets injured soon where are the goals going to come from? Best? Shola? Haha, we would slide down the table rapidly and then you'd all be 'bashing Ashley'.
     
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  19. I Bleed Black & White

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    Agreed, imagine if HBA picks up an injury while Ba is away. I think a lot of people will change their tune.
     
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  20. goldie

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    we would just play Ameobi and Best which is better than it sounds.
     
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