Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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Blond Bombshell said:
Bollocks

The pathologist said the eight stabbings had cut a main artery, there was nothing that could be done to save him if a medic was the first responder.
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How's them boots taste?

This is why Farage has to win the election, for what it's worth he is a millionaire elitist frog man, but all other parties are pointing in the same direction, apologetics for the lads death rather than embracing a deep inquiry into what has led this country down this dark path. There can be no concessions at this point. Farage must win, not because he is a good man, but because all other options will maintain the status quo or hasten it.
 
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alcoauth said:
How's them boots taste?

This is why Farage has to win the election, for what it's worth he is a millionaire elitist frog man, but all other parties are pointing in the same direction, apologetics for the lads death rather than embracing a deep inquiry into what has led this country down this dark path. There can be no concessions at this point. Farage must win, not because he is a good man, but because all other options will maintain the status quo or hasten it.
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I’ve no idea what’s got to happen to make Labour and the Conservatives wake up. I don’t care what others think, they are all
s hite and I’m not seeing anything to make me change my mind.
Bunch of pigs with their snouts in the trough.
 
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It probably is very likely he’d have died if the police on scene had acted instantly. Perhaps even if the murderer’s family had called an ambulance rather than the police while making up a racism claim after the guy had just stabbed him multiple times.

Either way, not sure it’s all that relevant to the coppers’ actions when confronted with a visibly extremely weak man just about able to tell them he’d been stabbed several times. The time it took to switch into the “life saving” mode they claimed in their tweet was way beyond reasonable. They rocked up with a pre-conceived idea of a pissed up guy racially abusing someone and couldn’t get that out of their head until it was far too late.
 
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Farage is the reason for the troubles in Southampton,

the family asked for peace, they asked for this NOT TO HAPPEN, but yet it did, because instead of listening to reason and what a family wanted, they listen to the UK temu Trump.

there was nothing any doctor could have done to save Henry's life, a major artery was servered, he was bleeding out. even if an ambulance was called, he was dying.

he tried to run away to esapce but couldnt, because of his injuries.
 
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Hannah1989 said:
Farage is the reason for the troubles in Southampton,

the family asked for peace, they asked for this NOT TO HAPPEN, but yet it did, because instead of listening to reason and what a family wanted, they listen to the UK temu Trump.

there was nothing any doctor could have done to save Henry's life, a major artery was servered, he was bleeding out. even if an ambulance was called, he was dying.

he tried to run away to esapce but couldnt, because of his injuries.
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He should have died being comforted and reassured, not lying in handcuffs being read his rights. Someone with the correct training and guidelines would have seen the poor lad was in trouble, this is where the Police have failed on so many levels, but in their defence they are guided by The Home Secretary. In short Shabana Mahmood should resign.
We have serving police officers being told to be more sympathetic to minorities and this is down to training. The 'Inclusion Matters' course " that police officers are undertaking is a disgrace and can only be described as two tier policing. How else can it be described ? One rule for minorities and another for the average white man, its a disgrace.
I think a lot of people would think differently if Henry had been comforted during his last breaths, poor lad was only 18 a mere kid. The money spent on the inclusion matters courses would have been far better spent on training officers to be more sympathetic to dying civilians.
 
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LBW said:
He should have died being comforted and reassured, not lying in handcuffs being read his rights. Someone with the correct training and guidelines would have seen the poor lad was in trouble, this is where the Police have failed on so many levels, but in their defence they are guided by The Home Secretary. In short Shabana Mahmood should resign.
We have serving police officers being told to be more sympathetic to minorities and this is down to training. The 'Inclusion Matters' course " that police officers are undertaking is a disgrace and can only be described as two tier policing. How else can it be described ? One rule for minorities and another for the average white man, its a disgrace.
I think a lot of people would think differently if Henry had been comforted during his last breaths, poor lad was only 18 a mere kid. The money spent on the inclusion matters courses would have been far better spent on training officers to be more sympathetic to dying civilians.
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Agree, but I will wait for the IOPC review. The police were responding to lies. They turned up and didn't follow basic procedures. Let's just leave it there for the moment until we hear the findings of the review.
 
Blond Bombshell said:
Agree, but I will wait for the IOPC review. The police were responding to lies. They turned up and didn't follow basic procedures. Let's just leave it there for the moment until we hear the findings of the review.
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Procedures have to be followed but that could take up to 12 months, the country is at a crossroads people are taking matters into their own hands we need strong leadership. At the moment we dont have it, when the idiots that kicked off in Southampton are rounded up and took to court I bet that doesnt take 12 months, this is the problem, previous decisions like Starmers handling of the Stockport murders are snowballing its going to get worse.
The idiots will be prosecuted and jailed while thumbs are twiddled over the IOPC review, its frightening how we keep stumbling from one calamitous decision after another yet find ourselves in a similar position to last summers riots. Good strong leadership would ban carrying the Kirpan, it would scrap the 2 tier training our officers are having to undertake. People want actions not reviews
 
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LBW said:
Procedures have to be followed but that could take up to 12 months, the country is at a crossroads people are taking matters into their own hands we need strong leadership. At the moment we dont have it, when the idiots that kicked off in Southampton are rounded up and took to court I bet that doesnt take 12 months, this is the problem, previous decisions like Starmers handling of the Stockport murders are snowballing its going to get worse.
The idiots will be prosecuted and jailed while thumbs are twiddled over the IOPC review, its frightening how we keep stumbling from one calamitous decision after another yet find ourselves in a similar position to last summers riots. Good strong leadership would ban carrying the Kirpan, it would scrap the 2 tier training our officers are having to undertake. People want actions not reviews
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I believe they are looking at within 2 months for review.
 
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Farage retreats to plush club after being booed over 'unforgivable' Nowak posts

EXCLUSIVE: Nigel Farage has been accused of parroting far-right lies and ramping up tensions after urging his followers to react with 'pure cold rage' to Henry Nowak's murder - a remark branded 'unforgivable' by Keir Starmer
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While communities reacted to his call out, the police attacked and people suffered, man of the Nigel chuffed on cigars and fine wine in a mayfair private members club.
Still, working class people defend him.
 
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alcoauth said:
He is able to communicate with the officers when they arrive, they drag him out onto the open floor, turn him onto his stomach and cuff him, a person with these kinds of wounds need care in order to keep them alive, the negligence of the officers likely killed the boy, we'll see what experts and enquiries come later, but no court would outright say they didn't contribute to his death.
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Sorry mate but you’re wrong.
The expert has already given their findings, as have already been detailed above. Those findings were presented at crown court trial.
Because of those findings, no court could possibly say the officers contributed in any way towards the poor lad’s death, because they didn’t.
That’s a fact.
He couldn’t have been saved, by anyone, as his injuries were too grave.
That’s also a fact.
His treatment by those officers as he was dying is a different matter altogether.
would there have been such outrage if his killer had been white is the other question?
Or black on black?
 
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Juanito Caminante said:
Sorry mate but you’re wrong.
The expert has already given their findings, as have already been detailed above. Those findings were presented at crown court trial.
Because of those findings, no court could possibly say the officers contributed in any way towards the poor lad’s death, because they didn’t.
That’s a fact.
He couldn’t have been saved, by anyone, as his injuries were too grave.
That’s also a fact.
His treatment by those officers as he was dying is a different matter altogether.
would there have been such outrage if his killer had been white is the other question?
Or black on black?
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Totally agree.

Also, the judge said that he believed the police acted as best they could have in a very difficult situation.

The IOPC will review the case and implement any changes as quickly as possible.
 
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Blond Bombshell said:
Totally agree.

Also, the judge said that he believed the police acted as best they could have in a very difficult situation.

The IOPC will review the case and implement any changes as quickly as possible.
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Leave the professionals to sort it out as it should be. I generally trust the justice system and the checks and balances it has to sort itself out. Better than an ‘ice style force’ run by untrained hooligans.
 
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The Sikh who murdered the young lad is the main evil bastard

The police who didn't check the young lad for injuries (a key question is were the stabbings he endured fatal or could he have been saved by prompt first aid). Training at fault needs correcting

Fa gash is another evil bastard who is trying to use the death of the young man for his own political gain.

One hero emerging from the tragedy is the father... saying use his sons death as a political football.
 
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Blond Bombshell said:
Bollocks

The pathologist said the eight stabbings had cut a main artery, there was nothing that could be done to save him if a medic was the first responder.
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The job of an officer is to preserve life as long as they can not stand back and ridicule ,'the words used I don't think so as heard on the officers body cam.
The scene was not secured the victims body was not checked for injury the behavior of the officers was unfathomable this term was used by a labour politician who served for 25 years as a police officer.
The system of training for the officers is thorough but not one officer followed basic crime scene control.
They are in deep ****e.
 
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Auckland SAFC said:
The job of an officer is to preserve life as long as they can not stand back and ridicule ,'the words used I don't think so as heard on the officers body cam.
The scene was not secured the victims body was not checked for injury the behavior of the officers was unfathomable this term was used by a labour politician who served for 25 years as a police officer.
The system of training for the officers is thorough but not one officer followed basic crime scene control.
They are in deep ****e.
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Ive said that several times previously marra.
 
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