What Should Happen To Tonda Eckert Now?

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Tonda's future at the club

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SAINTOSPREY said:
On another whimsical thought, on Spying, British Spies are always regarded as being the best in the World and are all heroes, German Spies are the worst and should be hanged. We have a British Spy, sponsored by a German, who apparently has committed the Crime of the Century behind a tree near a playing field in Middlesborough, Hero or Hang? You chose...
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Release the German, hang the scrote.
 
EasyBreezer said:
Yeah of course, we are speculating on rumours..

But the fact one of them said 'I am not doing that' and then proceeded to not do it. Would heavily suggest to me they weren't 'pressured' or 'bullied' in to doing so.

Feeling like you had to do it and being remorseful are not examples of bullying or coercive behaviour.
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Except I'm not just speculating on rumours, I'm taking quotes from the EFL panel who have seen far more detail than we have and drawing logical conclusions. He did something once (Oxford), then he refused to do it a second time (Ipswich), then on the third time (Boro) he did it again and got caught. That's consistent with someone doing something, regretting it and refusing to do it a second time before being pressured into doing it again. There are other possible explanations for that pattern but that's the most obvious and the tone of the comments from the EFL panel about him being under pressure to do this suggest they think that's what happened.
SaintinNZ said:
I wonder how you feel if the captain instructed flynn downes to make sure leaves a solid one on player x in the hope he can’t play as freely afterwards. It’s not in good faith, it’s against the rules of the game but it gets us a win I know I know he’d be cheered for it.

Everything is about getting a slight advantage, off the pitch or on the pitch. No damn difference. I’d feel a bit sick if we punched a big game winner into the net but it wouldn’t last long. It’s sport, winning is everything and there’s a line we shouldn’t cross but trying to sneak a look at whether a player is in training or it’s a 541 formation isn’t it.
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I've said on multiple occasions that I think spying is a nonsense and the punishment we've received is absurd. My view on that doesn't matter and nor does yours. There IS a rule, the club has already been punished severely for breaking it, the panel that imposed the penalty has heavily condemned what happened and cited as precedent a case where a points penalty was imposed on a team AND members of their coaching staff were banned from all football for 12 months. Given what that panel has said about the conduct of the club and staff it's entirely reasonable to think the FA are likely to do something similar and will see pressuring junior staff into doing this as an aggravating factor. It would be very odd and send a very strange message if the FA did nothing after the EFL's panel have publicly condemned what happened. I'd be astonished if he isn't found guilty of something like misconduct or bringing the game into disrepute. The only question is what punishment he gets.

I wouldn't give two ****s about your scenario but the comparison isn't a good one for several reasons:

1. On pitch situations don't generally compare well to off pitch situations. You're comparing split second decisions with more considered actions, which doesn't work. Downes may naturally never be in a position to make a tackle like that. Or he could make sure he isn't in a position to do it
2. The relationship between a team captain and any first team player is much more equal than the relationship between the head coach and an intern and in the case of Flynn Downes specifically, he's an experienced, senior player - I think he's been captain himself on occasions - so he's in a much stronger position to tell the captain to **** off if he wants to
3. Anyone who's seen Flynn Downes play knows he's more than comfortable with tough tackling so there's no question of him being pressured into doing something he doesn't want to
4. What's being asked for is less clear cut. Observing your opponent's training at certain times is banned. That's clear. Tough tackles aren't necessarily against the rules of the game. If the captain told him to try and injure the other player then I think most people would have a problem with that and rightly so.
 
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Apparently (according to the Sun's EFL reporter, so I won't link it) the players were angry but are in support of keeping Tonda. Also saying that the spying wasn't initiated by Tonda, but that he was aware of it and authorised it due to not being aware of the specific EFL rule.
 
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lewebster said:
Checking in again and it is great to see the option to sack him has now decreased to 40.7%!!

So 48 voters have voted to sack him and a total of 70 voters have voted for the various options in favour of keeping him!

I myself have changed from keep him under probation to extend his contract!!
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It’s great to see the percentage drop in your opinion and those that have liked your post you mean .

Yes we are all entitled to our opinions .
 
Number 1 Jasper said:
I was just saying that you’re glad the percentage of people wanting people out has dropped .
Not everyone is happy .

We are all entitled to your options .
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Ah right, yes absolutely everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just find it interesting as more time goes by that presumably people are amending their vote in favour, although it could just be new votes being cast.

Either way it shows public opinion even if on a small scale are shifting towards keeping Tonda in charge.

As more info comes out, I can only see more people leaning positively towards keeping him...there's even a chance you may change your vote Jasper.

Just my opinion of course.
 
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lewebster said:
Ah right, yes absolutely everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just find it interesting as more time goes by that presumably people are amending their vote in favour, although it could just be new votes being cast.

Either way it shows public opinion even if on a small scale are shifting towards keeping Tonda in charge.

As more info comes out, I can only see more people leaning positively towards keeping him...there's even a chance you may change your vote Jasper.

Just my opinion of course.
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Or the FA ban him so none of it matters.
 
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It should - unfortunately - be sack. Doesn't matter if he's, young, talented and was naïve about spying. He should be aware of it. Any higher ups that were involved and went along with it should be going as well.
 
I want Tonda to stay, but I can see the media making a meal out of this as its going to be slow news until the World Cup starts so they will need some page fillers, the FA will buckle at the media outrage and ban Tonda as they are so virtuous. I just hope if they do decide to ban Him that they do it soon and not near the beginning of next season.
 
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