EFL will bottle it I'm sure and give them a fine
Match Day Thread Play Off Final. Hull City v Boro
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tigermaul
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If the final has already been played, he can't get it replayed. I agree, if Southampton are kicked out before the final, Boro should be reinstated.
I cannot see it, financial problems result in financial punishment - fine
A sporting offence (cheating / spying) needs a sporting sanction. Points deduction or expulsion
As the league has finished this season, the points deduction is meaningless & leaves the door open for saints to win on sat to get promotion.
So expulsion & promotion for city is the fitting answer - then we all go on the piss Saturday
It's akin to a Turkey voting for Xmas.
If Boro are reinstated we're all going to be out of pocket one way or another as the game will almost certainly be re-scheduled?
5-7.5m fine and 10-12pts deduction imo
tigermaul
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I'm not saying I want that outcome. I'd prefer it if the verdict gets delayed somehow, we play Soton, we beat them fair and square. Of if we lose, they then get kicked out subsequently and we go up. But I can see how if Soton get kicked out before the final, Boro ought to replace them. But I think Southampton should be forced to pay an amount to the EFL to set up a compensation fund for Hull City fans.
But if saints win the final. 7.5mill fine is small change from the 200mill so no punishment
Exactly this and the points deduction would be highly unlikely to upheld by the Prem. Its not their circus. Southampton could spend 10 years in the Prem who knows, coining 10 x £200 million and growing, with a parachute payment before the points would kick in next time in the championship...
A few bits on some of the scenarios people have mentioned that I've picked up.
I had it explained to me by Paul Duffen, so make of that what you will and this is on the assumption they haven't changed, that the PL and EFL have an agreement that the PL will relinquish three 'golden shares' to the FL every season. I don't think its anything to do with the PL how those shares are distributed (for example, the PL had no say on the extension of the play-offs as of next season). So my understanding is that three teams will come down from the PL and three teams will come up from the FL no matter what.
If Southampton are fined, the money will be shared between the clubs of the Football League (as is the case with all fines to clubs). Should the date of the play-off final be changed, the fans groups are already prepping to pressure the Football League into that money going towards recompensing Hull City fans. That may be entirely futile, and I've no idea how workable it is, but it's got to be worth a try.
Another factor is that there is an agreement, apparently, that the loser of the play-off final gets to keep the gate receipts generated. This would be yet another potential headache within this whole farrago. As Southampton could recoup a large amount of their fine by losing a final they should have been banned from.
I had it explained to me by Paul Duffen, so make of that what you will and this is on the assumption they haven't changed, that the PL and EFL have an agreement that the PL will relinquish three 'golden shares' to the FL every season. I don't think its anything to do with the PL how those shares are distributed (for example, the PL had no say on the extension of the play-offs as of next season). So my understanding is that three teams will come down from the PL and three teams will come up from the FL no matter what.
If Southampton are fined, the money will be shared between the clubs of the Football League (as is the case with all fines to clubs). Should the date of the play-off final be changed, the fans groups are already prepping to pressure the Football League into that money going towards recompensing Hull City fans. That may be entirely futile, and I've no idea how workable it is, but it's got to be worth a try.
Another factor is that there is an agreement, apparently, that the loser of the play-off final gets to keep the gate receipts generated. This would be yet another potential headache within this whole farrago. As Southampton could recoup a large amount of their fine by losing a final they should have been banned from.
Abridged version, let others do it and wear the old 'uns out first.
The views expressed in my posts are 67% recycled.
tigermaul
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But it's only a 'gentleman's agreement' apparently. And Southampton aren't gentlemen as they've proved ...
The losers gate money is only £2m, better than a slap round the face, but not an enormous amount in the grand scheme of things.
48 hours before ko is my understanding.
Is there a scenario where its delayed punishment but not the game? Eg play the game but if found guilty we could be awarded the victory retrospectively if Saints win? Like when a medal winner is stripped of their title. I feel like the EFL are being backed into a corner here when they haven't done anything wrong. Southampton are holding all the cards. They know the legal process is on their side time wise. They know that they have an appeal process too. They know the EFL cant cancel the game.
Could they play it pending a decision?
Thats even more weird of a thought, going home and kicking the dog on Saturday night but then getting a reprieve a month later.
It would however allow the game to go ahead with the EFL knowing they have more time.
3-game goes ahead on sat, we lose, saints then get kicked out, we get promotion to the prem league