Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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I agree totally, except I’d like to know who they are before they came,
If I was told they were illegal imigrants I would hope they would be sent back to wherever they came from.
I agree. We need to know about risk. Thats why they need to be assessed and the assessment needs to be quicker.
 
I said mixed communities are healthy. Its not one versus the other.
It’s a good and tough conversation about communities.

Immigration has brought so much to this country and some of the treatment of people who aren’t white has been abhorrent over the years. It was seen as normal at the time, which is hard to get your head around. Views and behaviours are a product of that particular time - like it is now in some ways.

The flip side is the UK has been very good for people who have immigrated in a lot of ways. The population has boomed over the last 20 years and is causing understandable strains in a variety of ways.

Then, on top of that, you’ve got illegal immigration which is the straw breaking the camel’s back.

I get why Reform is doing so well, even gathering support from voters who love how multicultural the UK is.

Without facing the hard facts, the centre and centre left will lose ground to the right. I’ve banged the drum for the left and said that demonising immigration is wrong. The UK does have problems though and sticking our heads in the sand is not working.

Tax and spending needs to work better to reduce inequality. Spend more wisely, claw back some more from the avoiders and grasp the nettle of the costs of benefit bill. The bond markets to service the country’s colossal debt must be respected though, so minds a 100x cleverer than mine will need to balance those with improving public services. Just spending more isn’t the way to go and wide-ranging structural reforms are needed imo. Cross-party groups working together where necessary - NHS and benefits for instance - where we have got to get things right.
 
I see the mask has slipped again
We can have different views but calling people arseholes for liking a post seems over the top
 
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So non mixed communities are unhealthy then? I despise the fascist Farage but you are doing their work for them.
Nope. This is modern britain. Theres been a mix of colours and cultures for a century and more and good and bad in all. Socialism is about equality and unity. Enjoy it.
 
I agree. We need to know about risk. Thats why they need to be assessed and the assessment needs to be quicker.
I can’t actually see what’s hard to assess.
Ask them there name the country they came from and their address, if they won’t say what it is class them as illegal.
Then put them in a detention centre until they remember or ask to go back again.
 
It’s a good and tough conversation about communities.

Immigration has brought so much to this country and some of the treatment of people who aren’t white has been abhorrent over the years. It was seen as normal at the time, which is hard to get your head around. Views and behaviours are a product of that particular time - like it is now in some ways.

The flip side is the UK has been very good for people who have immigrated in a lot of ways. The population has boomed over the last 20 years and is causing understandable strains in a variety of ways.

Then, on top of that, you’ve got illegal immigration which is the straw breaking the camel’s back.

I get why Reform is doing so well, even gathering support from voters who love how multicultural the UK is.

Without facing the hard facts, the centre and centre left will lose ground to the right. I’ve banged the drum for the left and said that demonising immigration is wrong. The UK does have problems though and sticking our heads in the sand is not working.

Tax and spending needs to work better to reduce inequality. Spend more wisely, claw back some more from the avoiders and grasp the nettle of the costs of benefit bill. The bond markets to service the country’s colossal debt must be respected though, so minds a 100x cleverer than mine will need to balance those with improving public services. Just spending more isn’t the way to go and wide-ranging structural reforms are needed imo. Cross-party groups working together where necessary - NHS and benefits for instance - where we have got to get things right.
I agree with all of that. Sovial conditions create scapegoats. We do have challenges and some come from ethnicities and many don’t. I say this as someone who hasn't had a straightforward family and have worked in youth justice. All commit crimes. North east communities saying foreigners are a crime risk is bizarre though. Friday night taxi brawls are an institution here. The region has never been low in the statistics. It isn't new.
 
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Nope. This is modern britain. Theres been a mix of colours and cultures for a century and more and good and bad in all. Socialism is about equality and unity. Enjoy it.
There were no "brown" people where I was brought up. I am not over a hundred years old. Socialism is about society, our society is being changed by the influx of people from other societies with different religions, different ways of life and different ideas about life in general.
 
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So non mixed communities are unhealthy then? I despise the fascist Farage but you are doing their work for them.

I don't normally get involved in stuff like this but your post compelled me too. Surely the colour of a person's skin doesn't contribute to whether a mixed community is healthy or not - isn't it whether a person/people in that community is/are a complete arsehole or work shy prick that drag the community down no matter the colour of their skin is unhealthy?
 
I don't normally get involved in stuff like this but your post compelled me too. Surely the colour of a person's skin doesn't contribute to whether a mixed community is healthy or not - isn't it whether a person/people in that community is/are a complete arsehole or work shy prick that drag the community down no matter the colour of their skin is unhealthy?
He is more or less saying that a "mixed" community is better than a non mixed community, which in itself is "racist" by definition.
 
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There were no "brown" people where I was brought up. I am not over a hundred years old. Socialism is about society, our society is being changed by the influx of people from other societies with different religions, different ways of life and different ideas about life in general.
To be fair mate, I'd guess that wasn't London, Birmingham or Bradford where blacks tended to go ...

... or even Bristol where some ended up after spending weeks in the hold of a ship.

Rich people, who wanted to be even more rich, trafficked people around the world and shipped in various shades of black, brown and yellow whenever it suited them. Even more recently they knew they'd rarely come into contact with black bus drivers or brown mill workers so couldn't care less if they were being racially abused in their slum housing.

And now, when the calls are flying in for reparations and apologies, due to the slave trade, we're all expected to pay up or say how sorry we are. WTF did people in your area ever get from slavery ...

... there were miners in Scotland, during that time, who were unpaid and were only given a hovel for their families and tokens for the colliery shop to buy food. Suffer death, or a serious injury, then your family would be evicted.

If you really believe Farage sits in his gentleman's club worrying about you suffering brown people I'd have to disagree.
 
To be fair mate, I'd guess that wasn't London, Birmingham or Bradford where blacks tended to go ...

... or even Bristol where some ended up after spending weeks in the hold of a ship.

Rich people, who wanted to be even more rich, trafficked people around the world and shipped in various shades of black, brown and yellow whenever it suited them. Even more recently they knew they'd rarely come into contact with black bus drivers or brown mill workers so couldn't care less if they were being racially abused in their slum housing.

And now, when the calls are flying in for reparations and apologies, due to the slave trade, we're all expected to pay up or say how sorry we are. WTF did people in your area ever get from slavery ...

... there were miners in Scotland, during that time, who were unpaid and were only given a hovel for their families and tokens for the colliery shop to buy food. Suffer death, or a serious injury, then your family would be evicted.

If you really believe Farage sits in his gentleman's club worrying about you suffering brown people I'd have to disagree.
I hate Farage, he is a lying grifter. Miners in the NE were "slaves" in the same way to Colliery owners including the Queen Mothers family. Farage is using these "boat people" in the same way as Hitler used the Jews in Germany to get power. Scapegoats. But to actively endorse people coming to this country on small boats and even go further and say that their arrival improves this country is playing straight into Reform and Farage's agenda. If Farage gets power nothing will change regarding the scale of immigration but the immigrants will have served their purpose for Farage and he won't give a flying ****.
 
Speaking of Farage, the furore over the £5m gift for personal security could be greatly assuaged by Nigel providing invoices, receipts for this security. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
As long as Farage keeps promising he'll 'stop the boats', which he can't in reality, people will support him.

He could take £50m in bungs and it'll make no difference.

It's only when he's PM, and blaming his inability to rid of the foreigners' on 'lefty lawyers', will people stop to think ...

.. Brexit Mk2.
 
There were no "brown" people where I was brought up. I am not over a hundred years old. Socialism is about society, our society is being changed by the influx of people from other societies with different religions, different ways of life and different ideas about life in general.
Changed from ****e to ****e. You sound like a dinosaur. I wasn’t walking around today thinking different people area threat to my community . Get yourself out of the village.
 
I agree with all of that. Sovial conditions create scapegoats. We do have challenges and some come from ethnicities and many don’t. I say this as someone who hasn't had a straightforward family and have worked in youth justice. All commit crimes. North east communities saying foreigners are a crime risk is bizarre though. Friday night taxi brawls are an institution here. The region has never been low in the statistics. It isn't new.
In my town there are plenty of dodgy white ****ers. There are also dodgy ****ers from ethnic minorities. How many of each are pushed to crime due to social deprivation and the lack of opportunities? A lot of people who have gained asylum would love to work but some circumstances and in-built prejudices can work against them. A vicious cycle at times.
 
What about "brown people" who were born here and have north east accents, follow local football teams and support the local community?

I speak to "brown people" in small shops for work and some of them have broad north east accents and behave in the same way as white people. People like these are getting vile immigrant abuse, even though they were born and bred here.