Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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Poor people are not liberal, they are concerned about what benefits them directly or sometimes indirectly, not what benefits others and not some celestial idea of progress or general betterment, this is fundamental to grasp if you've any chance of divorcing what is happening from what you want to happen. Sunderland is full of poor people by the way. If you view the world through a lens of material conditions, the people of Sunderland ARE the core and crux of any working class movement that can be built in the future.

The fault-line is that to care about non-immediate concerns is fundamentally middle-class and privileged, people must come to terms with this or else you continue to not fully understand what is happening.
Good speech, it’ll get a few, speeches about the people hmmm, until you delve into facts



The new council’s party aren’t that arsed about material conditions, maybe it was something else ?
 
The riot places all had significant swings to racist politicians including the one the new poster is posting from. A few Sunderland people i chatted to were unhappy at the results which is reassuring. As ive said for ages, there is an undeniable anger towards Starmers Labour because of things like winter payments. Rationally, they have done many good things for everyday people and the poorest families but its missed while they have a wooden leader. The worrying thing is how they’re taken in by Farage. People on here using war language. At war against the uk government while claiming patriotism, needing a change, getting failed politicians and eton schoolboys. Patriots pay for their country, surely those who run to Thailand, Dubai or the Caymans to keep their wealth aren’t praying for the regeneration of SR1.

The people of Sunderland laugh when the Mags claim the Saudis care about the well being and prosperity of Tyneside.

We laughed when the people of Clacton believed Farage would bring jobs and better facilities to their grotty town.

How long before people are laughing at Sunderland when the Council Tax bills go up ...

... and Nadine Dorries is elected our MP without even knowing where the place is, 'Hoowar the lads!' <doh>
 
Good speech, it’ll get a few, speeches about the people hmmm, until you delve into facts



The new council’s party aren’t that arsed about material conditions, maybe it was something else ?

This basically demonstrates my point. It's about representation, not policy.
 
“Paranoid” Sunderland man in horrific attack on girlfriend that left her “black and blue”.

Those were the headlines published by the Sunderland Echo on 27th June, 2019.

And this is the man, David Barker, who has just been elected to Sunderland Council representing Reform UK.

According to the court report, Barker received a 22 week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months. He was also ordered to attend 15 rehabilitation days and complete a Building Better Relationships programme. In addition, £500 compensation was awarded to the victim.

If even a fraction of what was reported is accurate, it raises serious questions about vetting, judgement and the standards expected of people seeking public office.

What many people will also find deeply troubling is that, despite all of this being publicly available, he still received enough support, including women, to be elected to represent residents of Sunderland.

I read that Reform would protect our women.
Tick tock, waiting for condemnation.
Maybe he was representing the working class
 
Hopefully Ghislofi isn’t chasing Osimhen or Lookman this summer. They may go elsewhere if this is who our fans vote for.
Amad also might also be subject to a deportation campaign, being muslim.

As well as the racist stuff, he's also posted the usual misogynistic stuff about keeping women out of football.
 
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Taking back control

Donations from abroad
Reform UK relies heavily on donations, about two-thirds of which come from wealthy individuals.

At the heart of this set-up sits Harborne, a British-Thai billionaire businessman who is currently the largest single donor to a UK political party in history, having contributed more than 22 million pounds ($30m) to Reform.

In 2025 alone, he donated 12 million pounds ($16.3m).

His relationship with Farage has also been shrouded in controversy. The Guardian recently revealed Reform UK’s leader had received a 5 million-pound ($6.8m) gift from Harborne that was not initially declared in early 2024, weeks before Farage announced his bid to become an MP and run in Clacton.

Under House of Commons rules, new MPs must register all “registrable benefits” received in the 12 months before their election. The Conservative Party referred Farage to the parliamentary standards commissioner for investigation, questioning why such a large sum was hidden from the public.

Farage said the money was gifted to him “so that I would be safe and secure for the rest of my life”.

Harborne has made much of his fortune from his 12 percent stake in Tether, a cryptocurrency that Farage now regularly promotes on media appearances.


Farage’s trips to Abu Dhabi, Maldives
In December, the UAE paid approximately 1,000 pounds ($1,360) for Farage to visit Abu Dhabi and forked out $9,000 for Paddock passes at the 2025 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, as shown in the UK Parliament Register of Members’ Financial Interests.

The Financial Times, quoting people familiar with the matter, reported Reform UK treasurer Nick Candy had arranged the trip as the UAE’s leadership “was keen to speak with Reform owing to a shared opposition to the Muslim Brotherhood”.

Harborne is also estimated to have spent an estimated 25,000 pounds ($33,900) flying Farage out to the Maldives for a three-day trip that the Reform UK leader listed as a “humanitarian aid mission”.

At the time of publishing, Reform had not responded to Al Jazeera’s request for comment.

Paid speaking events abroad
Farage is also flown around the world to speak at various events.

In November, Bassim Haidar, a Lebanese-Nigerian billionaire entrepreneur and prominent donor to Reform UK, spent about 55,000 pounds ($74,528) to fly out Farage and two of his aides to the United States for a “speaking engagement and charity event”, according to the register.

Haidar uses Dubai as his primary business headquarters, while his main European residential base is in Greece.

In February 2025, GB News, a media outlet which has produced biased coverage about Muslims according to a recent study, paid Farage 7,924 pounds ($10,737) to cover the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), an annual gathering of conservatives in the US, organised by the American Conservative Union, at which he also held a speech. CPAC covered the cost of his accommodation.
 
I've just been reading that, agree fully. Not letting Burnham run was a massive mistake for the party.
Disagree. Time to move away from personality politics and base it on what's best for society. I admit Starmer has struggled with several policies, but his aim is true.
 
Poor people are not liberal, they are concerned about what benefits them directly or sometimes indirectly, not what benefits others and not some celestial idea of progress or general betterment, this is fundamental to grasp if you've any chance of divorcing what is happening from what you want to happen. Sunderland is full of poor people by the way. If you view the world through a lens of material conditions, the people of Sunderland ARE the core and crux of any working class movement that can be built in the future.

The fault-line is that to care about non-immediate concerns is fundamentally middle-class and privileged, people must come to terms with this or else you continue to not fully understand what is happening.
Great post marra. I'm starting to realise applying my beliefs to how Sunderland people would vote is flawed by my upbringing which has limited my views on life.
 
Starmer staying to sort out Britain. Will nationalise British Steel, increase apprenticeship and forge stronger relationships with Europe. Quite a good dig at the Grifter/chancer.

To the poster who replied to me a few weeks back that he had a large wedge on Starmer going by Christmas. It's not looking good.
 
Starmer staying to sort out Britain. Will nationalise British Steel, increase apprenticeship and forge stronger relationships with Europe. Quite a good dig at the Grifter/chancer.

To the poster who replied to me a few weeks back that he had a large wedge on Starmer going by Christmas. It's not looking good.
That must of been last Xmas surely, you can’t be talking about next Xmas <laugh>