To immigration maybe, to attracting racists like Robinson, No. There is a major difference between the two.
Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.
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Gordon Brown back! God help us.
If he's helping Starmer he won't have time to get his coat off.
Granted, Starmer is boring lacks charisma and dithers....
But as regards the Labour MPs who want him out, isn't he just a scapegoat? In that they refused to do anything about reducing the welfare bill ( including pensions) and be serious about immigration.
These same MPs will not countenance oil and gas production, etc
Even the grifter Fa gash dare not touch pensions. Taking benefits off migrants will not yield anywhere near the funds they say... just like the Brexit bonus for the NHS never existed.
With the country borrowing near its limit, there are no funds available for infrastructure to kick start growth.
Whilst Fa gash will do a Trump and make himself rich with crypto scams, the rest of the country will have minimum wage reductions
But as regards the Labour MPs who want him out, isn't he just a scapegoat? In that they refused to do anything about reducing the welfare bill ( including pensions) and be serious about immigration.
These same MPs will not countenance oil and gas production, etc
Even the grifter Fa gash dare not touch pensions. Taking benefits off migrants will not yield anywhere near the funds they say... just like the Brexit bonus for the NHS never existed.
With the country borrowing near its limit, there are no funds available for infrastructure to kick start growth.
Whilst Fa gash will do a Trump and make himself rich with crypto scams, the rest of the country will have minimum wage reductions
Sorry but this (along with some of the other lazy comments about Reform) is utter rubbish.Reform is a one-man party with one policy.
If Farage went off to create a brand new party called Restart people would leave Reform and still vote for him ...
... it's tragic that so many people can be fooled by one person so much of the time.
Still, Trump managed it and he's doing great
Fine for people to disagree with their policies but at least keep it real.
It's so easy to go onto Reform's website and see their policies set out in plain English, in plain sight, as clear as day.
People are following him simply because Reforms policies reflect what so many now want to see happen, and what the uni-party have proven they won't deliver. From my experience, quite a lot are even now voting Reform inspite of Farage being the leader, not because of him being the leader.
The last few days have given what should be a deafening message that can surely no longer be ignored. Starmer is tone deaf (as well as incompetent, a traitor, dishonest, spineless, etc etc) and surely has to go, not that changing leaders is likely to save Labour.
That’s just your opinion and I think it’s nonsense.
I’ve no doubt it’s easy to delve into Reform’s website …
… sadly most Reform supporters have probably never even looked at it.
They only see Farage and the garbage he spouts.
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What I posted isn't nonsense though, it's not even opinion, it's fact! You might not like Reform nor what I posted, but sorry that doesn't make it nonsense.
The policies are all there in black and white. I guess you haven't bothered looking either.
And the conversations I have and what I hear said about people voting for Reform in spite of Farage being the leader are also facts.
What you've posted is that comments about Reform are simply lazy ...
... I'd say the comments from Reform supporters are even lazier, that's why your opinion is utter rubbish imo.
As I said originally Reform is a one-man party with only one policy that the majority of his supporters can name.
No one who's ever posted, on here, has actually stated what Farage will actually do to stop the boats ...
... if you can, I'm all ears.
I'm not giving you my opinion!!
You keep giving your opinion (as you say yourself).
I'm giving you the facts. I get it that you don't like those facts (that it's utter rubbish to say they only have one policy, that they are only a 'one man party', etc).
If you really are "all ears", please just take 5 minutes to go read here. https://www.reformparty.uk/ It's all there, set out clearly for you to see. Listed policies 1 to 4 give you the answers to your specific question, before going on to list all 20 clear policies.
Now moving on to opinions ....... not saying it would be easy. It wouldn't be. But the intention and direction of travel is very clear. I sort of get the dislike some have of Farage but I can't see how anyone could sensibly argue about the Party are setting out to do. I think so many people throw out these lazy comments about Reform (one man show, one policy, etc) because they themselves are so lazy that they don't bother to spend even 5 minutes educating themselves.
We are unlikely to ever agree, and I now need to 'Go For A Walk'
, so I'll leave it there, but please at least take the time to read the Policies.
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Amad also might also be subject to a deportation campaign, being muslim.
I'm not giving you my opinion!!
You keep giving your opinion (as you say yourself).
I'm giving you the facts. I get it that you don't like those facts (that it's utter rubbish to say they only have one policy, that they are only a 'one man party', etc).
If you really are "all ears", please just take 5 minutes to go read here. https://www.reformparty.uk/ It's all there, set out clearly for you to see. Listed policies 1 to 4 give you the answers to your specific question, before going on to list all 20 clear policies.
Now moving on to opinions ....... not saying it would be easy. It wouldn't be. But the intention and direction of travel is very clear. I sort of get the dislike some have of Farage but I can't see how anyone could sensibly argue about the Party are setting out to do. I think so many people throw out these lazy comments about Reform (one man show, one policy, etc) because they themselves are so lazy that they don't bother to spend even 5 minutes educating themselves.
We are unlikely to ever agree, and I now need to 'Go For A Walk'
If you actually knew the main policies you’d just summarise them …
… the fact you’re unwilling to do that makes me think you can't.
It's like the main question that you keep ignoring and how exactly will Farage stops the boats ...
... the answer is that you don't have a clue, that's a fact not an opinion.
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Amad also might also be subject to a deportation campaign, being muslim.
After being first to announce Brexit, first to riot, first to elect Reform, etc, Sunderland is steadily picking up a reputation ...
... after years of steady progress we look like throwing it all away.
Ironic as we're one of the English cities furthest away from Dover and the migrants.
I cannot believe it, it's going to take a while to see how things go for us.
Sunderland has never been an ideologically left wing place (or right wing for that matter), but it has always been a place with a very strong identity and therefore in-group dynamic, people vote for what they feel directly appeals or benefits them in contrast with others.
The riot places all had significant swings to racist politicians including the one the new poster is posting from. A few Sunderland people i chatted to were unhappy at the results which is reassuring. As ive said for ages, there is an undeniable anger towards Starmers Labour because of things like winter payments. Rationally, they have done many good things for everyday people and the poorest families but its missed while they have a wooden leader. The worrying thing is how they’re taken in by Farage. People on here using war language. At war against the uk government while claiming patriotism, needing a change, getting failed politicians and eton schoolboys. Patriots pay for their country, surely those who run to Thailand, Dubai or the Caymans to keep their wealth aren’t praying for the regeneration of SR1.
Biggest mistake the twat ever made was hitting the pensioners with one of his first policies.
Can’t wait to wave him goodbye never to be seen or heard of again.
Bye you muppet.
Poor people are not liberal, they are concerned about what benefits them directly or sometimes indirectly, not what benefits others and not some celestial idea of progress or general betterment, this is fundamental to grasp if you've any chance of divorcing what is happening from what you want to happen. Sunderland is full of poor people by the way. If you view the world through a lens of material conditions, the people of Sunderland ARE the core and crux of any working class movement that can be built in the future.
The fault-line is that to care about non-immediate concerns is fundamentally middle-class and privileged, people must come to terms with this or else you continue to not fully understand what is happening.
The fault-line is that to care about non-immediate concerns is fundamentally middle-class and privileged, people must come to terms with this or else you continue to not fully understand what is happening.