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I see you didn't actually bother to read my comments about Ainsworth stating he wasn't going to apply pressure to them. Watch back Andy Smith's post match interview and then you'll see what he means about that. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and clearly with a bunch of spineless individuals we have in this side, the treatment you wish to give them, won't be received in the manner you'd like.
Everybody - DUCK - the bar has been lowered............ again !
Pegleg - I read all (your) comments...I respect that you are entitled to your opinion - as I am ! ...I'm fairly sure that you ( everyone ?? ), are not satisfied with the current situation --- which has largely remained constant over several seasons - So, I dare to assume that we agree on certain, critical points.... correct treatment (( pressure )) of spineless individuals is nothing less than fans should expect..... otherwise - like I previously said - why should I (( or anyone )) bother to keep going to matches - and paying handsomely for the 'privilege' of being treated with contempt ?
Regarding pressure in the work-place - this is where we might differ....it certainly appears that I have a more orthodox viewpoint regarding the responsibility of employers as well as employees.....I could thrash out this point - but will spare everyone and concede that a total authoritarian approach won't always produce best results..
I do not have a 'blinkered' approach to the subject of 'pressure.' ...but I am saddened to hear that Ainsworth has a 'relaxed' approach to the matter.......... It appears (( to me )), that Ainsworth's relaxed approach to pressure / discipline / commitment has NOT been working for a long time..... surely you do not dispute that results don't lie ?
I understand that many of the squad were not appointed by Ainsworth - but - even his signings haven't really performed to their potential - perhaps these players are unimpressed with Ainsworth acceptance of c.rap commitment from the P45 squad - and, maybe believe (( perhaps quite rightly )), that it is unfair for them to give 100% when there is no pressure on a significant number who are getting the sack in a few weeks.
I accept that Ainsworth needs to apologise to the fans after yet another defeat ((( and dreadful performance ))) ... I'm not sure if any public (rightful) humiliation of the squad will enhance his relationship ((( what little is left ))), with the players... Individual and collective assassination after each match needs to be kept 'in-house.'.........but - GFC hasn't employed Ainsworth for his public relations attributes - he was appointed for his (( alleged )) football managerial skills - and ability to motivate players with correct tactics, formation and discipline.......
..........In my philosophy, an integral part of discipline in any workplace, involves deployment of self discipline, and the correct and proportionate measure of authority by the employer --- you might want to call it pressure. ......I make no apologies for providing a snippet of a lesson in Philosophy....Sadly, it relates to a time when the 'bar' was set much higher - and was regularly reached.... Today, we continually lower the bar - and it still remains out of reach of the majority (( although it seems that nobody is under any pressure to look upwards ! ))
Pegleg - I read all (your) comments...I respect that you are entitled to your opinion - as I am ! ...I'm fairly sure that you ( everyone ?? ), are not satisfied with the current situation --- which has largely remained constant over several seasons - So, I dare to assume that we agree on certain, critical points.... correct treatment (( pressure )) of spineless individuals is nothing less than fans should expect..... otherwise - like I previously said - why should I (( or anyone )) bother to keep going to matches - and paying handsomely for the 'privilege' of being treated with contempt ?
Regarding pressure in the work-place - this is where we might differ....it certainly appears that I have a more orthodox viewpoint regarding the responsibility of employers as well as employees.....I could thrash out this point - but will spare everyone and concede that a total authoritarian approach won't always produce best results..
I do not have a 'blinkered' approach to the subject of 'pressure.' ...but I am saddened to hear that Ainsworth has a 'relaxed' approach to the matter.......... It appears (( to me )), that Ainsworth's relaxed approach to pressure / discipline / commitment has NOT been working for a long time..... surely you do not dispute that results don't lie ?
I understand that many of the squad were not appointed by Ainsworth - but - even his signings haven't really performed to their potential - perhaps these players are unimpressed with Ainsworth acceptance of c.rap commitment from the P45 squad - and, maybe believe (( perhaps quite rightly )), that it is unfair for them to give 100% when there is no pressure on a significant number who are getting the sack in a few weeks.
I accept that Ainsworth needs to apologise to the fans after yet another defeat ((( and dreadful performance ))) ... I'm not sure if any public (rightful) humiliation of the squad will enhance his relationship ((( what little is left ))), with the players... Individual and collective assassination after each match needs to be kept 'in-house.'.........but - GFC hasn't employed Ainsworth for his public relations attributes - he was appointed for his (( alleged )) football managerial skills - and ability to motivate players with correct tactics, formation and discipline.......
..........In my philosophy, an integral part of discipline in any workplace, involves deployment of self discipline, and the correct and proportionate measure of authority by the employer --- you might want to call it pressure. ......I make no apologies for providing a snippet of a lesson in Philosophy....Sadly, it relates to a time when the 'bar' was set much higher - and was regularly reached.... Today, we continually lower the bar - and it still remains out of reach of the majority (( although it seems that nobody is under any pressure to look upwards ! ))
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ALL OUT ...... that includes ALL the elephants in the room !
I am dreading who will be retained for next season... Ainsworth has talked about (( not his )) players not being good enough - but - many in the squad basically are 'his' players........ I will indulge Ainsworth and allow him to believe that many of the squad were not 'approved' by him --
So - let's talk about the 'elephant(s)-in-the-room.' ... I cannot believe that Ainsworth can justify retaining ( just about ) any of the P45 squad this Summer... These have, time & time again, shown that they indeed are NOT GOOD ENOUGH..... Do I have to list the thrashings we've had against the teams in the top half of the league - together with embarrassing results and woeful performances against those (few remaining) teams below us.
How can Ainsworth even think about retaining the rubbish in the side - NONE of them have displayed anything that hints that they are worthy... I will really despair if the likes of Clark & Hutton remain in the side (((( and I have said that I bet that both will still be in the starting 11 in August. )))) - HOW- HOW -HOW can Ainsworth justify himself if Useless & Lazy are retained ????...............................I'll also bet that if U & L remain at Gills, then we'll have another season full of Groundhog Days.
I am dreading who will be retained for next season... Ainsworth has talked about (( not his )) players not being good enough - but - many in the squad basically are 'his' players........ I will indulge Ainsworth and allow him to believe that many of the squad were not 'approved' by him --
So - let's talk about the 'elephant(s)-in-the-room.' ... I cannot believe that Ainsworth can justify retaining ( just about ) any of the P45 squad this Summer... These have, time & time again, shown that they indeed are NOT GOOD ENOUGH..... Do I have to list the thrashings we've had against the teams in the top half of the league - together with embarrassing results and woeful performances against those (few remaining) teams below us.
How can Ainsworth even think about retaining the rubbish in the side - NONE of them have displayed anything that hints that they are worthy... I will really despair if the likes of Clark & Hutton remain in the side (((( and I have said that I bet that both will still be in the starting 11 in August. )))) - HOW- HOW -HOW can Ainsworth justify himself if Useless & Lazy are retained ????...............................I'll also bet that if U & L remain at Gills, then we'll have another season full of Groundhog Days.
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Hutton has another year on his contract you'll be happy to know.
Pegleg - thanks for that !....I am left with a warm feeling that at least 50% of my 'wager' will be accurate in August.....and brb is left with a warm feeling -- in his incontinence pad.
Excuses ??
NONE of the Gills' players on the pitch today, has given any justification for retention for next season ((( regardless of any contract they may possess. ))) - and how the manager has retained his job is bonkers..... 29 points from the last 36 games...... That equates to 37 over 46 matches.
It comes to something when even the most optomistic Gills fan ( Peter Lloyd ), goes mental at the performance of the defenders.... Ainsworth simply is unable to motivate the squad to put in a decent level of commitment.
NONE of the Gills' players on the pitch today, has given any justification for retention for next season ((( regardless of any contract they may possess. ))) - and how the manager has retained his job is bonkers..... 29 points from the last 36 games...... That equates to 37 over 46 matches.
It comes to something when even the most optomistic Gills fan ( Peter Lloyd ), goes mental at the performance of the defenders.... Ainsworth simply is unable to motivate the squad to put in a decent level of commitment.
Sorry to intrude but I would like to add my view
It all started so well with the longest unbeaten run for ages
Gareth was hospitalised. He tried to put it off to focus on the team's progression. That says something
He returned to a team that seemed to have fallen apart somehow and had to cope with that whilst not fully back to his best
Maybe he returned too quickly; I don't know - it seemed quick to me
He finds himself with players who aren't good enough and/or have lost interest (maybe because promotion hopes had disappeared and they were going to be out of contract - I don't know)
What I do know is that he does care, he got Wycombe competing way above their weight on a shoe-string budget. With players he acquired mainly on frees but ensuring they had the right attitude and would fit in. That is the only way the team can be stronger than the sum of the individual players
This summer, hopefully we will see good-byes to those he knows will not fit in/are not good enough and replace them with players he wants
He has come out and said players aren't good enough. For him to say that, he means business and he will turn this team round provided he doesn't have the wrong type of players imposed on him
Next season he will be stronger and the team will be stronger, I'm sure
Please don't let me hear he doesn't care. He cares more than any manager I know. I've met him a few times, talked with him, seen him in action pulling off the impossible. He is a great bloke, honest as the day is long. He will put everything into getting the club back into good times. The only way he will give up is if he has no control over recruitment and the owners lumber him with bad decisions resulting in excessive and unfair flack from fans. I ask you to give him a chance with his own team and respectable backing from the owners and full support of the fans. I know he will try his utmost to,bring some positivity to the club
Thankyou for your attention
PS this was great to see Guard of honour for Sam Vokes
It all started so well with the longest unbeaten run for ages
Gareth was hospitalised. He tried to put it off to focus on the team's progression. That says something
He returned to a team that seemed to have fallen apart somehow and had to cope with that whilst not fully back to his best
Maybe he returned too quickly; I don't know - it seemed quick to me
He finds himself with players who aren't good enough and/or have lost interest (maybe because promotion hopes had disappeared and they were going to be out of contract - I don't know)
What I do know is that he does care, he got Wycombe competing way above their weight on a shoe-string budget. With players he acquired mainly on frees but ensuring they had the right attitude and would fit in. That is the only way the team can be stronger than the sum of the individual players
This summer, hopefully we will see good-byes to those he knows will not fit in/are not good enough and replace them with players he wants
He has come out and said players aren't good enough. For him to say that, he means business and he will turn this team round provided he doesn't have the wrong type of players imposed on him
Next season he will be stronger and the team will be stronger, I'm sure
Please don't let me hear he doesn't care. He cares more than any manager I know. I've met him a few times, talked with him, seen him in action pulling off the impossible. He is a great bloke, honest as the day is long. He will put everything into getting the club back into good times. The only way he will give up is if he has no control over recruitment and the owners lumber him with bad decisions resulting in excessive and unfair flack from fans. I ask you to give him a chance with his own team and respectable backing from the owners and full support of the fans. I know he will try his utmost to,bring some positivity to the club
Thankyou for your attention
PS this was great to see Guard of honour for Sam Vokes
Certainly a fair assessment Ron. We're in an unfortunate position where the manager's job is bit of a poisoned chalice right now for whoever gets the job with us. When our American owners came in late December 2022, expectation levels around the club probably grew hundred-fold. A continued run of hiring and firing managers has left us in a league position the same in which the club achieved in it's first season under them and despite some managers having been well backed financially, we still somehow remain a bottom half League Two side. The promise of a two year plan under Ainsworth was hoped to offer a reset for the club, albeit fans want success yesterday, and from the start of January we've had relegation form so its understandable that some fans have become despondent already.
I remain hopeful that now 14 players are being let go this summer, it provides a real opportunity for Gareth to get the squad in he needs to make a success of the team. His long term assistant Richard Dobson has moved upstairs as the club's new Technical Director so there is perhaps some unchartered territory that will be encroached on next season which could be seen as either a positive, or a negative. So despite my optimism, there will no doubt be pockets of the fanbase that will be harder to get on side of the manager especially consider how poorly we've ended the season and the ridiculous amount of goals shipped in March & April. I suspect @alwaysright remains in that camp for now.
Pegleg - I am flattered that you should 'single-me-out, from the circa 6000 ( on average ),Gills fans that have attended Home games during the season - who also have their individual viewpoint.....You have not dared to presume their mindset - so - I'm not sure that you have the 'privilege' - or power to read my mind.....It appears that you are making 'narrow' assumptions about my thought process (((( when I actually withold a lot of what rattles around in my head.))... I will concede that I have found it easier to make derogatory remarks involving many aspects of the mechanics of a football club -- not just the players................... BUT - ultimately, the most critical judgement must be reserved for the 'performance' of the squad - leading to the spectacular results that Gills have had this season.... The results are the consequences of many factors -- not many of which can possibly receive anything but criticism. - or do you think that fans (( not just me )), are happy with the status quo ??.............................
................. So - until things change (( for the better )), any fan (( not just me )), has every right to be cautious - if not negative regarding prospects - but - (( and at risk of blowing your perception of my thought process )), I can see the potential positives of the staff musical chairs .. I am eager to see the recruitment Gills may attract.... I do expect Ainsworth to be true to his word - and shape the new squad to be more dynamic....- that is 'some' of what I am thinking.
Now, Pegleg - are you going to ask the other 5999 Gills fans what they think ? --- I'm not actually bothered what other people think - at the moment, the brutal facts may indicate that many are more negative towards GFC than I am.
ps - it appears that only Mrs alwaysright has the power to read my mind - as I seem to be able to get into trouble for what I think , let alone what I say.
................. So - until things change (( for the better )), any fan (( not just me )), has every right to be cautious - if not negative regarding prospects - but - (( and at risk of blowing your perception of my thought process )), I can see the potential positives of the staff musical chairs .. I am eager to see the recruitment Gills may attract.... I do expect Ainsworth to be true to his word - and shape the new squad to be more dynamic....- that is 'some' of what I am thinking.
Now, Pegleg - are you going to ask the other 5999 Gills fans what they think ? --- I'm not actually bothered what other people think - at the moment, the brutal facts may indicate that many are more negative towards GFC than I am.
ps - it appears that only Mrs alwaysright has the power to read my mind - as I seem to be able to get into trouble for what I think , let alone what I say.
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My "narrow assumptions" as you call it, refer a very post you made within this thread on 28th March demanding Ainsworth resign, so unless you have significantly changed your mind, I believe there to be just cause and evidence to support the very notion that you aren't on Ainsworth's side. I will also ask, if you aren't bothered what the other 5999 Gills fans that you refer to think, then why should I give them the same attention?
Pegleg
I make no denial of my negative opinions I have or had of Ainsworth - - based on his track record - and that of the squad in his charge....He might have some 'mitigation' relating to several of the squad not being his signings - BUT - he HAS signed quite a number of the underperforming members....... I could go on at length regarding his use of square pegs in round holes (( as just one example of strange Ainsworth tactics. ))... I could spend all day illustrating how Ainsorth hasn't been able to motivate the non P45 as well as the unretained players. ---- and, on a positive note in my last post, I did say that I can see the potential in the heirarchy reshuffle... I also stated that I expect Ainsworth to make Gills more dynamic - perhaps those bits of positive ( changes ), from me, escaped your attention. You are not giving me any consideraration for being realistic with my assessment of the brutal statistics that Ainsworth, among other previous managers, and various squad members have created for the fans -- virtually none of which can be seen in a ' positive ' light....................
I consider myself a more sympathetic fan (( despite my justified criticism .)) The result isn't the only factor... I am pragmatic about the limitations of the Club... I would love to be more ambitious - but - I realise the limitations of Division 4 players.. I have only ever wanted honest 100% commitment.....For several years, we fans have not even been able to say; '' Hard luck - you didn't deserve to lose ( heavily ), - you played well. '' ..............seriously - when did GFC last have a consisent run of gut-busting performances ?
The main criticism of the players over recent seasons, has been the dire entertainment value (( as well as some awful defending )) - tell me how I or any other fan can be positive . There are plenty of Gills fans (( probably about 5998 )), who may be at least, if not a lot more negative, than I have been. I will always defend my opinion if I can qualify it with facts...... I just wish that the facts were more 'positive.'...............................
...................... and it doesn't help not to be critical about the dire entertainment - when, three days ago, I watched Bayern V PSG in the CL tie........ great entertainment at a fraction of the cost of a Gills ticket - see, I can be very positive about a football match ! -- I'd love it to be about Gills.
I make no denial of my negative opinions I have or had of Ainsworth - - based on his track record - and that of the squad in his charge....He might have some 'mitigation' relating to several of the squad not being his signings - BUT - he HAS signed quite a number of the underperforming members....... I could go on at length regarding his use of square pegs in round holes (( as just one example of strange Ainsworth tactics. ))... I could spend all day illustrating how Ainsorth hasn't been able to motivate the non P45 as well as the unretained players. ---- and, on a positive note in my last post, I did say that I can see the potential in the heirarchy reshuffle... I also stated that I expect Ainsworth to make Gills more dynamic - perhaps those bits of positive ( changes ), from me, escaped your attention. You are not giving me any consideraration for being realistic with my assessment of the brutal statistics that Ainsworth, among other previous managers, and various squad members have created for the fans -- virtually none of which can be seen in a ' positive ' light....................
I consider myself a more sympathetic fan (( despite my justified criticism .)) The result isn't the only factor... I am pragmatic about the limitations of the Club... I would love to be more ambitious - but - I realise the limitations of Division 4 players.. I have only ever wanted honest 100% commitment.....For several years, we fans have not even been able to say; '' Hard luck - you didn't deserve to lose ( heavily ), - you played well. '' ..............seriously - when did GFC last have a consisent run of gut-busting performances ?
The main criticism of the players over recent seasons, has been the dire entertainment value (( as well as some awful defending )) - tell me how I or any other fan can be positive . There are plenty of Gills fans (( probably about 5998 )), who may be at least, if not a lot more negative, than I have been. I will always defend my opinion if I can qualify it with facts...... I just wish that the facts were more 'positive.'...............................
...................... and it doesn't help not to be critical about the dire entertainment - when, three days ago, I watched Bayern V PSG in the CL tie........ great entertainment at a fraction of the cost of a Gills ticket - see, I can be very positive about a football match ! -- I'd love it to be about Gills.
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