Match Day Thread Millwall v Hull City

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Giles and McBurnie are different to all the other pairings though, it’s like they’re completely on the exact same wave length. As soon as Oli held up that ball on Wednesday Giles knew it was going to come out to the left, and as soon as it reached him Oli knew exactly where to be, within millimetres, to put his cross into the back of the net. It was such a beautiful well worked and completely unstoppable goal.
 
It’s nice to see us scoring lots of goals but I have to say I did prefer watching the more tactical and masterful possession game under Rosenior. It was a lot more engaging.

When did we last score 6 in a game?

Slutsky with this squad would have us scoring 4-5 goals a game
 
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I know Amin is just taking a piss but it is kind of funny we're only on track for 7 more goals than the "boring" Rosenior season.

I say only because you could compare it to the proper dour seasons under say, Pearson in 2010/11 where we scored 23 less than we're tracking for, or the following season half under Pearson and half under the exciting Barmby where we scored, erm, 28 less..
 
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I know Amin is just taking a piss but it is kind of funny we're only on track for 7 more goals than the "boring" Rosenior season.

I say only because you could compare it to the proper dour seasons under say, Pearson in 2010/11 where we scored 23 less than we're tracking for, or the following season half under Pearson and half under the exciting Barmby where we scored, erm, 28 less..
I know you are fishing for bites but I must defend Nigel Pearson here. Under his management we went on the longest unbeaten away run in the clubs history. We didn't win many 6-0 but no-one beat us away for a long time. For the record was the 6-0 home win over Birmingham a few seasons back the last time scored six? that could have been under Nigel Adkins? I defend Rosenior too, we missed out on a Play Off place by a couple of goals and maybe a point or two. That's one game, hardly a disaster. He could have and maybe should have been a bit more attacking with the squad he had but hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the end his caution cost him his job. For me the manager who did under perform was Nigel Adkins and what has he done since?
 
Giles and McBurnie are different to all the other pairings though, it’s like they’re completely on the exact same wave length. As soon as Oli held up that ball on Wednesday Giles knew it was going to come out to the left, and as soon as it reached him Oli knew exactly where to be, within millimetres, to put his cross into the back of the net. It was such a beautiful well worked and completely unstoppable goal.
The thing is, it was so simple, and we could all see what was going to happen. The ball goes to Giles, McBurnie starts his run by taking both defenders the wrong way (toward the back post) then at the right moment changes his run toward the front post as he knows, and Giles knows, that's where the killer pass will go.
McBurnie has that natural instinct and timing. Unfortunately Joseph (and others) just don't, even though it's not complicated.
 
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I know you are fishing for bites but I must defend Nigel Pearson here. Under his management we went on the longest unbeaten away run in the clubs history. We didn't win many 6-0 but no-one beat us away for a long time. For the record was the 6-0 home win over Birmingham a few seasons back the last time scored six? that could have been under Nigel Adkins? I defend Rosenior too, we missed out on a Play Off place by a couple of goals and maybe a point or two. That's one game, hardly a disaster. He could have and maybe should have been a bit more attacking with the squad he had but hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the end his caution cost him his job. For me the manager who did under perform was Nigel Adkins and what has he done since?

The biggest under performers in the last couple of decades were Bruce, Walter and Selles. Bruce for the season we got relegated, assembled a big and brilliant squad full of fantastic talent and served up complete and utter dross playing wingers as lone strikers with 5 at the back and got it relegated. Last seasons squad was far better and capable of far more than the performances and results served up by either manager, we are starting to see the proof of that now with vastly improved performances from many of them under a proper decent manager.

Adkins I thought did ok with his hands tied behind his back at what was at the time a dying club void of any positivity whatsoever. He probably could have done better but he wasn’t a disaster.
 
I know you are fishing for bites but I must defend Nigel Pearson here. Under his management we went on the longest unbeaten away run in the clubs history. We didn't win many 6-0 but no-one beat us away for a long time. For the record was the 6-0 home win over Birmingham a few seasons back the last time scored six? that could have been under Nigel Adkins? I defend Rosenior too, we missed out on a Play Off place by a couple of goals and maybe a point or two. That's one game, hardly a disaster. He could have and maybe should have been a bit more attacking with the squad he had but hindsight is a wonderful thing and in the end his caution cost him his job. For me the manager who did under perform was Nigel Adkins and what has he done since?
I'm not fishing for anything.
 
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From Millwall’s MDT

Hull City

In 1904, having started out life as Hull Comets, Hull AFC turned professional and assumed the name of the defunct Hull City amateur side that had played in the city. Unlike our friends at Crystal Palace, who also took on a defunct club's name, Hull City do not claim any of the former club's history and state their year of foundation at 1904.

Thanks to their location in a rugby league hotbed, Hull City were quickly offered a place in the Football League in 1905 and made a good start to life on the Second Division. However, despite coming within goal difference of promotion to the top flight in 1910, heartbreakingly losing 3-0 to Oldham Athletic, who took their place instead, it was the second tier that was to become the regular hunting ground for these 'Tigers', as they spent 21 consecutive seasons there, with only the First World War interrupting their run.

This run was broken in 1930, not by promotion, but by relegation to the Third Division (North). Yet this was the season when the side finally put Hull on the map for association football reasons, with a fine run to the FA Cup Semi-Finals including defeats of First Division Manchester City and Newcastle United, before a 2-2 draw and then a narrow 1-0 defeat to eventual winners Arsenal. But unlike Millwall, who were given the nickname 'Lions' by the Victorian press due to their giant killing exploits, Hull City were given their nickname of 'Tigers' long before this cup run, simply based on the amber and black stripes they have worn since their foundation.

On a side note, the man that got Hull City relegated for the first time and led them to the FA Cup Semi-Final, Bill McCracken, was later employed by Millwall and also got us relegated for the first time, despite Millwall being one of the best supported clubs in the country between the wars.

Hull City spent the 1930s bouncing between the Second Division and Third Division (North), but talking of crowds, the post war demonstrated what a big club they could be if given success. In 1949, they averaged 36,760 winning the Third Division (Third), and then over 37,000 the following season finishing 7th in the Second Division. Perhaps many of those fans were happy to just have some normality back, after the city was heavily targeted by the Luftwaffe in the war. But it was still a case of not really getting anywhere on the pitch despite such great backing, and by the time Beatlemania was in full swing, Hull were established as a Third Division side again.

In the 1965-66 season, the big cats of Millwall and Hull City were scrapping it out to get promoted out of the Third Division. Both were clubs that if given some success could attract big crowds, but both were in areas starting to suffer in the post war period of de-industrialisation and decline for the UK. The crowds for both were not quite as big as they had been in the immediate post-war period, but Hull City still attracted over 40,000 for their top of the table clash with the Lions, a 1-0 win for the Tigers, with Millwall getting over 17,000 for the return the following day, a 3-0 win for the Lions. Given the fact that both Arsenal and Chelsea were at home in the First Division that day, it shows what a decent crowd that was still, and likely more given Millwall's tendency to understand declare gate receipts back then. Both sides were promoted, Hull City as champions and Millwall as runners-up, still unbeaten at home over two seasons by then & on their way to 59 home games unbeaten.

However, darker times were around the corner for Hull, both the city and club. The fishing conditions set out at the end of the 'Cod Wars' in the 1970s had a devastating effect on Hull's economy and therefore the ability of fans to attend games, as so many people relied on the fishing industry either directly or indirectly. By the start of the 1980s, Hull City were in Division Four for the first time and getting gates of under 5,000. They did make enough of a recovery to host Millwall's promotion to the top flight in 1988, but most of the late 1990s and early 2000s saw them mired in the bottom division as more a comatosed, rather than sleeping giant.

But things were about to change for this much maligned club with a move to a new stadium in 2002. Instantly, crowds shot up, and by 2008 the Tigers had finally made it to the top flight, with a magical play-off victory over Bristol City. Magical, because it was local lad and Hull City legend, Dean Windass, who got the game's only and therefore winning goal. The team were relegated after two seasons, but it has started a bit of a golden era for the club, as they were back in the PL by 2013 and even enjoyed reaching an FA Cup Final the following year, where they raced into an early 2-0 lead against Arsenal, only to lose 3-2 in extra time.

The team's yo-yoing between the PL and Championship eventually caught up with them, however, and in 2020 they were relegated to League One. Hull bounced straight back and after a couple of seasons readjusting, are now once again prowling around the top six.
 
From Millwall’s MDT

Hull City

In 1904, having started out life as Hull Comets, Hull AFC turned professional and assumed the name of the defunct Hull City amateur side that had played in the city. Unlike our friends at Crystal Palace, who also took on a defunct club's name, Hull City do not claim any of the former club's history and state their year of foundation at 1904.

Thanks to their location in a rugby league hotbed, Hull City were quickly offered a place in the Football League in 1905 and made a good start to life on the Second Division. However, despite coming within goal difference of promotion to the top flight in 1910, heartbreakingly losing 3-0 to Oldham Athletic, who took their place instead, it was the second tier that was to become the regular hunting ground for these 'Tigers', as they spent 21 consecutive seasons there, with only the First World War interrupting their run.

This run was broken in 1930, not by promotion, but by relegation to the Third Division (North). Yet this was the season when the side finally put Hull on the map for association football reasons, with a fine run to the FA Cup Semi-Finals including defeats of First Division Manchester City and Newcastle United, before a 2-2 draw and then a narrow 1-0 defeat to eventual winners Arsenal. But unlike Millwall, who were given the nickname 'Lions' by the Victorian press due to their giant killing exploits, Hull City were given their nickname of 'Tigers' long before this cup run, simply based on the amber and black stripes they have worn since their foundation.

On a side note, the man that got Hull City relegated for the first time and led them to the FA Cup Semi-Final, Bill McCracken, was later employed by Millwall and also got us relegated for the first time, despite Millwall being one of the best supported clubs in the country between the wars.

Hull City spent the 1930s bouncing between the Second Division and Third Division (North), but talking of crowds, the post war demonstrated what a big club they could be if given success. In 1949, they averaged 36,760 winning the Third Division (Third), and then over 37,000 the following season finishing 7th in the Second Division. Perhaps many of those fans were happy to just have some normality back, after the city was heavily targeted by the Luftwaffe in the war. But it was still a case of not really getting anywhere on the pitch despite such great backing, and by the time Beatlemania was in full swing, Hull were established as a Third Division side again.

In the 1965-66 season, the big cats of Millwall and Hull City were scrapping it out to get promoted out of the Third Division. Both were clubs that if given some success could attract big crowds, but both were in areas starting to suffer in the post war period of de-industrialisation and decline for the UK. The crowds for both were not quite as big as they had been in the immediate post-war period, but Hull City still attracted over 40,000 for their top of the table clash with the Lions, a 1-0 win for the Tigers, with Millwall getting over 17,000 for the return the following day, a 3-0 win for the Lions. Given the fact that both Arsenal and Chelsea were at home in the First Division that day, it shows what a decent crowd that was still, and likely more given Millwall's tendency to understand declare gate receipts back then. Both sides were promoted, Hull City as champions and Millwall as runners-up, still unbeaten at home over two seasons by then & on their way to 59 home games unbeaten.

However, darker times were around the corner for Hull, both the city and club. The fishing conditions set out at the end of the 'Cod Wars' in the 1970s had a devastating effect on Hull's economy and therefore the ability of fans to attend games, as so many people relied on the fishing industry either directly or indirectly. By the start of the 1980s, Hull City were in Division Four for the first time and getting gates of under 5,000. They did make enough of a recovery to host Millwall's promotion to the top flight in 1988, but most of the late 1990s and early 2000s saw them mired in the bottom division as more a comatosed, rather than sleeping giant.

But things were about to change for this much maligned club with a move to a new stadium in 2002. Instantly, crowds shot up, and by 2008 the Tigers had finally made it to the top flight, with a magical play-off victory over Bristol City. Magical, because it was local lad and Hull City legend, Dean Windass, who got the game's only and therefore winning goal. The team were relegated after two seasons, but it has started a bit of a golden era for the club, as they were back in the PL by 2013 and even enjoyed reaching an FA Cup Final the following year, where they raced into an early 2-0 lead against Arsenal, only to lose 3-2 in extra time.

The team's yo-yoing between the PL and Championship eventually caught up with them, however, and in 2020 they were relegated to League One. Hull bounced straight back and after a couple of seasons readjusting, are now once again prowling around the top six.

Who wrote all that nonsense? They could learn a thing or two from Chazz.
 
The biggest under performers in the last couple of decades were Bruce, Walter and Selles. Bruce for the season we got relegated, assembled a big and brilliant squad full of fantastic talent and served up complete and utter dross playing wingers as lone strikers with 5 at the back and got it relegated. Last seasons squad was far better and capable of far more than the performances and results served up by either manager, we are starting to see the proof of that now with vastly improved performances from many of them under a proper decent manager.

Adkins I thought did ok with his hands tied behind his back at what was at the time a dying club void of any positivity whatsoever. He probably could have done better but he wasn’t a disaster.
Would loved to have seen what Adkins could have done with us with decent backing from a decent ownership.
Right place wrong timing. A lovely, decent guy too.
 
I know Amin is just taking a piss but it is kind of funny we're only on track for 7 more goals than the "boring" Rosenior season.

I say only because you could compare it to the proper dour seasons under say, Pearson in 2010/11 where we scored 23 less than we're tracking for, or the following season half under Pearson and half under the exciting Barmby where we scored, erm, 28 less..
Pearson steadied a ship that was on course to join the Titanic. We were a ****’s hair from going into liquidation. That squad had James Harper and Dele Adebola.
 
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Pearson steadied a ship that was on course to join the Titanic. We were a ****’s hair from going into liquidation. That squad had James Harper and Dele Adebola.
He also signed Fryatt and McLean that January.

Anyway the point was we've had far more dour seasons in recent memory and was getting ahead of anyone who may have claimed 7 goals is a lot.