If there's no suitable replacement available, better the devil you know than the devil you don't We've gone down the extended caretaker route twice in the past, once as the DoF wouldn't be arriving until the end of the season and once because nobody suitable was available, and sometimes continuity is the better course of action
Bill Nicholson 1958-74 1958/59 Won 10-4 v Everton Knocked out of FA Cup but 3rd Division Norwich Lost to both arsenal and West ham at home by 4-1 Lost 19 league games with minus 10 gd Finished 18th 1959/60 Won 13-2 in FA Cup Finished 3rd I'd say Ange's two seasons are better Burkinshaw 1976-1984 76/77 Lost 3-2 to 3rd division Wrexham in league cup at home Lost to division 2 Cardiff in the 3rd round fa cup Lost 8-2 to derby Relegated 77/78 Beat Bristol rovers 9-0 Promoted on the last day finishing 3rd 78/79 Brought in 2 world cup winners Lost 4-1 in first home game to villa Lost 3-1 to division 2 Swansea in league cup at home. Lost 7 nil at anfield Lost 5 nil at home to Arsenal Took 2 games to beat non league Altrincham in fa cup. Took 2 games to beat lower league Wrexham in the fa cup Finished 11th 79/80 Finished 14th 80/81 Won FA Cup Finished 10th Ange's 2 seasons completely out do Burkinshaw's first 4. Patience and belief in a project gave us our two most successful managers in our history. They are the only managers to have won more than one trophy with us. They and Ange are the only managers to win a European trophy with us. In my view, greed and cowardice could be costing us another successful manager. We'll never know, but what is certain is that the next manager is in a near impossible position....he either wins a trophy and gets CL football or he's done worse than Ange. That is an awful position to put a new manager in.
Isn't that exactly where we find ourselves now? No obvious replacement improvement and now we've sacked the one we knew and who had brought in a trophy.
Everyone is asking the wrong question....the right question isn't anything to do with comparing Ange to previous managers or winning trophies. The right question is....is Ange one of the one in 50 coaches who makes a real difference to their club. If he is we should have kept him, if not we should try out someone else with a one in 50 chance of success. The correct answer is that no-one knows so the sacking decision is about equally likely to be right or wrong.
It's so bizarre that the people on r/coys who have been screaming for Levy to sack Ange are now screaming because Levy sacked Ange What do these bellends want?
Honestly, if we finished 11th or 12th, Ange would likely be in the dugout for our opening game The fact that needed at least 15 points more than we got does underline the biggest issue
Disagree. The question is why do we consistently make stupid managerial decisions. Sacking bloke in a coat a week before the Arsenal semi final ... moronic. Employing Hoddle ... moronic. Sacking Hoddle a month into the season ... moronic. Pleat... worse than moronic. Santini... see pleat Jol... fantastic appt but treated cruelly and moronically when sacked Ramos... bad prem fit Redknapp ... fantastic app AVB ... ****ing moronic Sherwood... not enough s to do it justice Pochettino... glorious but appallingly treated when sacked JM ... get to **** Sacking JM 6 days before a cup final to hide from the stupidity and greed of the Super league debacle Nuno...or nono as my autocorrect describes him...makes every other decision look great Conte ... was always gonna end in a car crash. Ange ... did better than all of the above in delivering an unforgettable night but still sacked 16 days later. Sorry but there's a pattern of **** managers being appointed by the same bloke who is about to appoint another. Genuinely don't get how we sacked a manager who won a european trophy 16 days earlier.
Anybody demonstrated they don't understand finance by posting that owner funding chart that's posted to Reddit and Twitter every six seconds yet...?
I get the impression on here sometimes that people should stop reading sites that upset them and just stick to those they agree with,
The first time in years we have some good times - and Levy turns us into the laughing stock of the footballing world again.
And now we’re getting Frank who has won **** all and has next to zero European experience compared to Ange who managed teams in CL, EL, ECL. Ange has been a serial winner. we want levy out, we want levy out
Weird how a media (and numerous spurs pages) who have done nothing but hound him out for the majority of this season and take great delight in telling us how many league games we’ve lost, are now criticising the club for sacking him? Speaking personally, as someone that has always leaned on levy’s side when it comes to some of the criticism that I think is unfair, if this decision turns out to be a bad one, any fans that weren’t in the ‘ENIC out’ camp could be moving there fairly quickly!
No offence PS, but that's bollox... Putting Ange aside for now, applying that question to both Mourinho and Conte, as two of the most successful coaches in World football would surely have brought the answer: Keep! Yet both were sacked - and to general consent and agreement both inside the club and with the fanbase. Ange, conversely, is arguably outside the Top 50 and yet brought the club a trophy, so how does that work?
My point again starts from the observation that the sixth richest club in any league rarely wins a trophy. Conte and Mourinho have won most of their trophies while at one of the top three clubs in their respective leagues. We were definitely one of the top 3 clubs in the Europa League so winning it proves nothing about Ange. The only way we are going to become serial winners is either for us to become rich enough to have one of the three or four best squads or for us to find a coach who is so good that he (or she?) can get a weaker team to glory. The number of people who have done that in England in my lifetime is very small, less than 10 out of several 100s of coaches, hence my estimate that only one in 50 coaches can do it. History shows that such coaches often have no prior track record of success so it's hardly surprising that we fail to appoint one. To believe that there is some rational process for appointing managers that we are failing at is what I think is bollocks! Our league finishes and trophy wins under ENIC have been entirely consistent with expectations for a club of our stature.
I have never seen so much written about a manager who has been sacked, deserved or not. Here in Australia , all the media are throwing up their collective hands in horror, how dare they sack Ange, big mistake etc. Levy didn't want another Ten Haag scenario, but not having a replacement lined up shows he's protecting himself and not building on the momentum of the cup win. Basically he wants safe not trophies. Someone wrote that there will be more music events booked at the THS than new players come in the transfer window. Don't often post and generally just read ,but really where do we go from this?
The weirdest take doing the rounds is Levy wants Frank as Brentford pay less in wages than we do Errm...what? Do they think half our squad will be taking pay cuts?
I think we’ll have a new manager by the end of the weekend. That can be the only reason why they took so long to pull the trigger.
I believe the statement said in the week, so have to wonder if the plan was to do the unveiling on Monday So how long before it turns out Frank (or whoever) has an image right clause...?
