they might but which of the 17 teams are going to have a disaster this summer to allow it to happen? West Ham maybe. Wolves? And Leeds have to get everything right. Who is genuine prem quality in their squad?
I was talking to my Leeds mates and asked them who they thought of their squad would even get into Saints worst ever PL team and in their opinion they only came up with Rodon definitely and Tanaka and Gnonto as maybes. They weren’t including anyone they or we have on loan atm. Obviously they watch far more of Leeds than Saints so maybe were doing it more on names rather than knowing a lot about the player If that’s true then lots of work needed but I can’t really see how anyone could think they have a chance of staying up right now. Obviously they have the summer window so they may have a much better chance after that. You are right in that one of the 17 PL teams will need to have an absolute horror show of a window to give any of the promoted teams a chance
If PSR makes relegation a formality every year for the promoted teams then maybe it makes sense for the EPL to end it. I would hate to see it for the other leagues though.
I hope the 3 that go up come straight back down again for a third season in a row. If even one of the promoted side manages to stay up, the massive problems with PSR will continue to get brushed under the carpet. If the promotion/relegation merry-go-round continues to happen, they'll have to take notice eventually and make changes.
They've got a lot of money behind them and have the clout as a club to attract players that other clubs possibly couldn't. Got a feeling a couple of clubs could collapse too. Not saying they definitely will but I think some people are getting carried away with the whole 'PSR makes it impossible to stay up' stuff (Bournemouth and Fulham did just two seasons ago) and of the 3 Leeds have the best chance and a reasonable one.
Agree they have the best chance but still think it’s a long shot. Bournemouth and Fulham benefited from Leicester not spending any money due to being afraid to break PSR (don’t think they signed anyone the season they went down?), us having basically zero investment for a number of years and signing a load of kids and unknowns to make up for it and Leeds playing Bielsa ball. The PL is a different beast now so the gap between the promoted sides and the 17 “established” teams is as wide as it’s ever been. Too early to tell for sure but it is definitely going to take a great window for any of the teams to survive (coupled with someone else having a horror window, Bournemouth possibly if they lose a few of their side and manager as being rumoured)
Next season will be Forest, Fulham and Bmouth's fourth consecutive PL season. That's a decent amount time to establish themselves, receive PL-level revenues, and build themselves PL-level squads.
You could argue theyve all done it already based on where they are likely to finish this year. They all could get Europe
As daunting as it is now, trying to survive as a promoted team, the upside of it, is that it isn't as bad these days getting relegated. If I were an Ipswich fan right now I'd be licking my lips at the idea of going down with an even stronger squad and a season of Prem experience. Then they get another bite of the cherry in a year from now.
Dunno. Thought if Utd/Spurs win the Europa and Chelsea win the conference league then top 9 get European football but might be wrong
Chelsea's win today has ended the chances of 9th being able to qualify (as I understand it), because such a scenario required Chelsea to miss out on a top seven finish - which cannot now happen. In theory Bmouth and Fulham could still both qualify, but they would have to do so via 7th and 8th. And it's unlikely that one of them will knock Villa (or Forest) out of the top seven.
While PSR remains, there's a pretty good chance the last 2 seasons have set the new standard (all 3 promoted sides going straight back down). Something needs to give or the only benefit of getting promoted would be the parachute payments when you come back down!
Yeah there’s definitely other options before the nuclear “bin relegation option”. Changing PSR is definitely one of them, not sure how rule changes like that are implemented though. If it’s something that needs to be voted in by PL clubs then (with my cynical head on) I can’t see why most clubs would vote in a rule change that helps promoted teams. Sure PSR stops the smaller PL teams from competing at the very top, but it also hugely reduces the threat of relegation. As Forest, Fulham and Bournemouth have shown this season you can have a year where you can compete for the European spots even with PSR as it currently is. Wouldnt surprise me at all if the next rule change is for harsher punishments for any team who does break the rules. The established teams now should be in a position where they don’t need to break PSR to survive, but promoted teams would need to to give themselves the best chance. If the PL teams are essentially in control of any rule change then I can definitely see them making it as hard as possible for any promoted side, rather than trying to make it more competitive
On the one hand I really wanted us to just put two fingers up to PSR and the established clubs, break the rules and take the punishment as it's our only realistic way to survive. Not least because a bunch of the now established clubs cheat anyway, but get away with it by finding loopholes in the rules. But you just know that the minute we do the same, it wouldn't be a 2 point deduction or whatever pathetic punishments have been dished out so far, they would throw the book at us and ensure we went down again regardless and probably ban us from making any signings the next time we got promoted too.
Yeah I reckon they would throw the book at the next team who breaks it. Flip side is they can’t activate the punishment until after the season has finished and accounts have been released. So you at least (hopefully) get a season of survival in the top flight before your punishment
That's just for the PL. I can't remember the numbers for the EFL but it's x amount for each division but it requires more championship clubs than L1/2 iirc.
