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Never read library books when I was younger but today we've got the internet. You can find out anything really with a bit of google.
Labour landslide but there's no money and never was unless somebody has the will power to make drastic changes. They won't will they ?
Here's the government spending at glance. Around £1.1 trillion spent this year with a breakdown of the figures. We are running an annual budget deficit . Have been for decades both Labour and Tory. All that is added to a booming national debt which has gone crazy since banking crisis in 2008 and pandemic in 2020. All there to read on first page.

UK Public Spending - Numbers Charts Analysis History

So KS has set out a few changes so far and raised a bit of money say £20 billion but that's a drop in the ocean compared to £1.1 trillion. It's like somebody saying you've got £1,100 a month theres 2 quid extra. So changes will have to come from new agreements and how we conduct our daily lives. I hope there's change . Let's see if he can sort the NHS Doctors pay out . That was his first promise. Hope he can as it'll be a victory.
 
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cracket said:
Never read library books when I was younger but today we've got the internet. You can find out anything really with a bit of google.
Labour landslide but there's no money and never was unless somebody has the will power to make drastic changes. They won't will they ?
Here's the government spending at glance. Around £1.1 trillion spent this year with a breakdown of the figures. We are running an annual budget deficit . Have been for decades both Labour and Tory. All that is added to a booming national debt which has gone crazy since banking crisis in 2008 and pandemic in 2020. All there to read on first page.

UK Public Spending - Numbers Charts Analysis History

So KS has set out a few changes so far and raised a bit of money say £20 billion but that's a drop in the ocean compared to £1.1 trillion. It's like somebody saying you've got £1,100 a month theres 2 quid extra. So changes will have to come from new agreements and how we conduct our daily lives. I hope there's change . Let's see if he can sort the Doctors pay out in the NHS. That was his first promise. Hope he can as it'll be a victory.
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That's the main thing that will bring about any kind of meaningful change.
 
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For me the most worrying appointment is Ed Milliband. Our apartment is all electric so I can foresee my taxes supporting Chinese investment in coal fired generation so we can import their green technologies and become carbon neutral. What a world!
 
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With regards to sershal meeja. I am working with a Romanian lad who is a canny lad and a good grafter. He gets his "news" from the internet and scoffs at mainstream news outlets such as BBC, ITV and the press. He is a big fan of populist ****ers like Bonko, Trump and Farage and believes that Joe Biden is an alien, he told me it is true because he "read it on the internet" :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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OldNewtown said:
Fair points.
It's one thing having a protest vote but, on an admittedly small sample, two people I know who voted Reform, their vote was based upon stopping illegal immigration. The same people voted for Brexit to protect our Borders.
It probably does go back to voters feeling that their opinion doesn't matter and it won't change things. I remember my father telling me that Labour will always win Easington and that as a consequence they don't have to do much to keep it. Perhaps the main parties should look a little harder at what they need to do for ordinary people across the UK and not just in those constituencies that often decide an Election.
We can only hope.
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alcoauth said:
I'm really hopeful we can have some good dialogue.
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There's a real conundrum here.

The biggest promise from Farage is that he'll take all the boat people back to France

At one time there was an agreement with France that this was possible.

Once people voted for Brexit that agreement ended.

So these people that you know have actually helped to shoot themselves in the foot.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
There's a real conundrum here.

The biggest promise from Farage is that he'll take all the boat people back to France

At one time there was an agreement, with France, that this was possible.

Once people voted for Brexit that agreement ended.

So these people you know have actually helped to shoot themselves in the foot.
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It is admittedly a very small sample, but I cannot disagree with your comments.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
There's a real conundrum here.

The biggest promise from Farage is that he'll take all the boat people back to France

At one time there was an agreement with France that this was possible.

Once people voted for Brexit that agreement ended.

So these people that you know have actually helped to shoot themselves in the foot.
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In short. He talks simplistic ****e and half wits lap it up.
 
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Labour 34% of vote, 63% of seats
Conservative 24% of vote, 19% of seats
Reform 14% of vote, 1% of seats
Lib Dems, 12% of votes, 11% of seats

Those numbers are the most disproportionate of all time. I wonder if now there will be enough noise to change something. Whatever your preference we dont get govts thay represent peoples wants and havent for some time.
 
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FellTop said:
Labour 34% of vote, 63% of seats
Conservative 24% of vote, 19% of seats
Reform 14% of vote, 1% of seats
Lib Dems, 12% of votes, 11% of seats

Those numbers are the most disproportionate of all time. I wonder if now there will be enough noise to change something. Whatever your preference we dont get govts thay represent peoples wants and havent for some time.
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It's more disproportionate than ever because of tactical voting and strategising though. People who would be Labour in a marginal Lib Dem/Tory seat voted Yellow and vice versa. I'm not saying it isn't always a little disproportionate but there are flaws with the alternative systems too. I also think the UK mentality is entrenched in fptp. If we suddenlt started seeing coalition governments, I don't think anything would ever get done.
 
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