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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Not disagreeing with this at all....who would think that this would happen

I used 25 and garage for the purposes of exaggeration, but I know of one guy that’s built an extension to his modest house where he’s got maybe 7-8 labourers in.
 
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Wow, just seen a Tory party election broadcast.100% attack ad on Labour’s alleged £2000 per household tax increase. Not a single word about their own policies. Lots of begging to go online and read a document about the tax stuff. Strikes me that if they want to go this route they should take a few lessons from the US versions of attack ads, which are genuinely shocking.

Anyone else noticed that all Labour’s tax promises are for no rises for ‘working people’. They’ve already stupidly promised not to raise corporation tax so that leaves capital gains and possibly pension contributions. Rejoice Strolls!

Meanwhile Starmer was somewhere talking about more nursery places, obviously a good thing if they are of good quality, but he described it as “helping parents get back into the ‘labour market’”, when any normal human being addressing the relevant bit of the population would say ‘get back to work’. He’s a grey, featureless robot. No one will vote for him with hope in their hearts.

My 84 year old mum who has an odious local MP called Sir Geoffrey Clifton Brown, who has done nothing since being first elected in 1992 (ever heard of him - possibly because he has been identified as the ‘worst MP’ in terms of attending Parliament and helping constituents. **** knows why they keep voting him in) is not impressed with the realistic alternative - a Lib Dem councillor who lives at the other end of the constituency and who has championed building 400 new homes in Moreton in the Marsh, which is already in permanent gridlock and has no facilities. So she is looking forward to spoiling her ballot paper for the first time. This is a miss for all the parties as she is the definition of a floating voter, will always go with what she thinks is the best (or least worst) option, ideology free. My old man was the opposite, real old Labour despite running small businesses for decades, he couldn’t physically bring himself to vote any other way.
 
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Wow, just seen a Tory party election broadcast.100% attack ad on Labour’s alleged £2000 per household tax increase. Not a single word about their own policies. Lots of begging to go online and read a document about the tax stuff. Strikes me that if they want to go this route they should take a few lessons from the US versions of attack ads, which are genuinely shocking.

Anyone else noticed that all Labour’s tax promises are for no rises for ‘working people’. They’ve already stupidly promised not to raise corporation tax so that leaves capital gains. Rejoice Strolls!

Meanwhile Starmer was somewhere talking about more nursery places, obviously a good thing if they are of good quality, but he described it as “helping parents get back into the ‘labour market’”, when any normal human being addressing the relevant bit of the population would say ‘get back to work’. He’s a grey, featureless robot. No one will vote for him with hope in their hearts.

My 84 year old mum who has an odious local MP called Sir Geoffrey Clifton Brown, who has done nothing since being first elected in 1992 (ever heard of him?) is not impressed with the realistic alternative - a Lib Dem councillor who lives at the other end of the constituency and who has championed building 400 new homes in Moreton in the Marsh, which is already in permanent gridlock and has no facilities. So she is looking forward to spoiling her ballot paper for the first time. This is a miss for all the parties as she is the definition of a floating voter, will always go with what she thinks is the best (or least worst) option, ideology free. My old man was the opposite, real old Labour despite running small businesses for decades, he couldn’t physically bring himself to vote any other way.

There are worse places to be gridlocked.
 
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Anyone else noticed that all Labour’s tax promises are for no rises for ‘working people’. They’ve already stupidly promised not to raise corporation tax so that leaves capital gains and possibly pension contributions. Rejoice Strolls!

Yeah, I'd noticed that Labour are promising no tax increases for 'working people' which enables them to rebut the desperate '£2,000 for every family' Tory claim. It does allow them to raise taxes in other ways of course, but I don't expect these to be in their manifesto, which is unlikely to contain anything significant that they haven't already announced. Sigh.
 
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Net migration by year:
1992 49,000
1994 94,000
1995 127,000
1996 116,000 --
New Labour elected--
1997 107,000
1998 162,000
1999 187,000
2000 220,000
2001 220,000
2002 241,000
2003 239,000
2004 349,000
2005 293,000
2006 322,000
2007 330,000
2008 250,000
2009 242,000
--Conservatives elected--
2010 294,000
2011 291,000
2012 291,000
2012 229,000
2014 283,000
2015 379,000
--People vote for Brexit--
2016 369,000
2017 270,000
2018 285,000
2019 275,000
2020 374,000
2021 456,000
2022 745,000 (revised up)
2023 672,000
Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS
 
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Net migration by year:
1992 49,000
1994 94,000
1995 127,000
1996 116,000 --
New Labour elected--
1997 107,000
1998 162,000
1999 187,000
2000 220,000
2001 220,000
2002 241,000
2003 239,000
2004 349,000
2005 293,000
2006 322,000
2007 330,000
2008 250,000
2009 242,000
--Conservatives elected--
2010 294,000
2011 291,000
2012 291,000
2012 229,000
2014 283,000
2015 379,000
--People vote for Brexit--
2016 369,000
2017 270,000
2018 285,000
2019 275,000
2020 374,000
2021 456,000
2022 745,000 (revised up)
2023 672,000
Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS
We clearly need to get more Brits out of the country to balance the numbers.
 
In two years of Labor in federal government here in Oz, the cost of living has more than doubled.
Even the stanch Labor supporters are shaking their heads in disbelief.
We might be a large country but we have fcuk all housing available.

So what does Labor do to assist or solve our housing crisis?
All over 1 million migrants into the country per year.
Our children can't even afford the costs of a house or find an available rental, but hey, lets get some more migrants in the country!
Seriously, its gone beyond a joke.

This is the same Labor govt that promised $275 cheque for electricity to all Australians, immediately after they get elected.
The cheque is in the mail .............. the costs of electricity has more than doubled since.

Overseasee Albanese is nowhere to be seen.
Surely must be a one term government.
 
In two years of Labor in federal government here in Oz, the cost of living has more than doubled.
Even the stanch Labor supporters are shaking their heads in disbelief.
We might be a large country but we have fcuk all housing available.

So what does Labor do to assist or solve our housing crisis?
All over 1 million migrants into the country per year.
Our children can't even afford the costs of a house or find an available rental, but hey, lets get some more migrants in the country!
Seriously, its gone beyond a joke.

This is the same Labor govt that promised $275 cheque for electricity to all Australians, immediately after they get elected.
The cheque is in the mail .............. the costs of electricity has more than doubled since.

Overseasee Albanese is nowhere to be seen.
Surely must be a one term government.
Just wait a few years
We are letting in so many indians that can no longer get into Canada Australia or the us
Guess where they will all be heading now when they get kiwi citizenship
 
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In two years of Labor in federal government here in Oz, the cost of living has more than doubled.
Even the stanch Labor supporters are shaking their heads in disbelief.
We might be a large country but we have fcuk all housing available.

So what does Labor do to assist or solve our housing crisis?
All over 1 million migrants into the country per year.
Our children can't even afford the costs of a house or find an available rental, but hey, lets get some more migrants in the country!
Seriously, its gone beyond a joke.

This is the same Labor govt that promised $275 cheque for electricity to all Australians, immediately after they get elected.
The cheque is in the mail .............. the costs of electricity has more than doubled since.

Overseasee Albanese is nowhere to be seen.
Surely must be a one term government.
Same over here mate too except it's been 14 years. Have you got nice beaches over there?
 
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:emoticon-0102-bigsm very good.

I'm sure I've posted on this thread a few times before, but I'm also a big fan of Godwin's Law. It states, that, "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

I also like this build, which people use: "many...discussion forums have a tradition that, when a Nazi or Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress".
 
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:emoticon-0102-bigsm very good.

I'm sure I've posted on this thread a few times before, but I'm also a big fan of Godwin's Law. It states, that, "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

I also like this build, which people use: "many...discussion forums have a tradition that, when a Nazi or Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress".

When, just after the commemorations for the 80th anniversary of D-Day, we can see neo-fascists being elected across Europe (and most likely in this country too in the form of Farage), I'd say that Godwin's Law should be suspended.
 
Sunak's manifesto seems to be pretty much wholly about tax cuts with no indication as to how they can be afforded.

Didn't Truss try that?
His father in law is paying for it.


Pretty stupid of Starmer the criticise Sunak’s manifesto as ‘Corbyn-like’ in its promises, given that he campaigned in support of two Corbyn manifestos.
 
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