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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Outrageous how accomplished those three young brothers are considering they weren't professional players.

    Must be incredibly bright lads.

    I can see one getting by on bullshit for a while. A second through nepotism maybe. But the third just makes me think they are a bit special.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    There can be a big difference from setting out to be a top coach and being an ex-player who realises his career is over and needs to find something to do. Someone like Rooney doesn't have the option of becoming a pundit, he can barely put a coherent sentence together.

    So he decides he going to be a 'top manager' based mainly on who he played under.

    (Top marks for the use of 'nepotism' btw, a much underrated word <laugh> )
     
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  3. The Norton Cat

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    Edward is probably the most interesting one. Studied at Loughborough, Leuven, and Rotterdam School of Management while working as a youth coach and has done other things beyond football. He's currently without a club. I wonder if we could unite all 3 Still brothers.
     
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  4. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    I know Leuven incredibly well, used to live on the old Leuvensesteenweg.

    Three brothers on a coaching staff has to be either the very best or very worst idea ever without any possibility of anything in between.
     
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  5. 10 Gary Rowells

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    I'm not sure what Dodds' job title used to be but I think he was in charge of player improvement. Player improvement was a massive part of what was going right at the club. Look at the likes of Clarke and Hume, they came on leaps and bounds. This season that player development seems to have stalled - look at Ekwah, Ba and others. It may be related to Dodds being moved about. He stepped in to the head coach role because he was asked. He may not be suited to that role but we could be losing a big asset in player development if Dodds goes. Its a football cliche that 'a full clear out' changes fortunes. It may be more a case of putting staff in their best suited roles. I'd certainly keep Dodds.
     
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  6. Flash Gordon

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    I guess the question is whether it's important for the fans to have their pound of flesh.

    Dodds took a role above his ability to help out his boss. He's not up to that task. But the players clearly love him, other staff rate him and by all accounts he was good at his previous job.

    Sacking him for not being good at his temporary job seems like it could very easily backfire and affect morale of the players and staff at the club.
     
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  7. Coastal Dolphins

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    The players love him that much they didn't play for him at all?
    It's a daft thing to say anyway because A - you don't know it. B - it matters very little. C - respect of the players is more important, I doubt many Man Utd players loved Ferguson but they'll all have respected him.

    Dodds and Proctor need turfing out of the first team picture to give the new HC a chance is my opinion.
     
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  8. Pure River Slut

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    I think Dodds deserves respect. None of this was his fault. He tried to help out and did his best but he failed to implement the right strategies to win games so has some way to go and needs to be in a supporting role. He does know the players though so he will help support any incomer. That said it’s unfair and foolish to expect an incomer not to use their preferred approach or what’s the point in having them. Speakman’s comments about ‘letting them bring an assistant if they make sense’ smacks of his dominance to be honest. I go back to what I’ve said for ages, it’s a bad time to lose an operator but we have to have someone else’s mindset on decision making or we’ll get the errors of the last two years. Him having too much power again this summer will be a mistake, but him going will be too messy. Talk of others having an input be it Poyet or the foreign name is welcome to me because I don’t trust a clearly arrogant man not to make the same errors. We do want his good bits.
     
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    I suppose it will come down to if Dodds would be happy to go back to that role?

    It certainly seems he was more effective there and that part of the club worked better with him there.

    I have a feeling he will want to move into an assistant role somewhere, hope I'm wrong and he steps back into hospital old role saying he only stepped up to help the club out but was aware he wasn't very suited to it and player development is his thing!

    But as others said that last press conference seemed like a bloke on his way out! Bit like telling your Mrs all the things that have done ya head in over the years when ya about to split up <laugh>
     
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  10. Daz

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    If it’s anything like me and my two brothers we’d be scrapping in the dugout after about 15 minutes. And that’s considering we are very close and get on well. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  11. Disco down under

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    I wouldn't be sacking him by any means. If the guy wants to stay he should have a job secured given the effort alone.

    But I personally think it would be better for all parties if he started somewhere with a clean slate, unencumbered by the toxicity of this year.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    I think it's unreasonable for each new manager to expect the entire staff removed ...

    ... it's also totally impractical.

    Young players coming through the academy etc need some kind of stability and a relationship with coaches who hold the general spirit and identity of the club. Imagine if we'd had three entirely different sets of staff at the club this season.
     
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  13. Downeys Loup

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    Maybe the Poyet link being mooted is more of an advisory role than executive one. Someone who knows football that can provide a second opinion, offer advice to the board and KS on strategy and the big decisions. We’ve had a poor season. rather than sacking KS it could just be about putting more support in place to improve.
     
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  14. The Norton Cat

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    If Dodds is happy to return to his role as individual player development coach it seems like a very sensible thing to do. We know he's good at it and we know he's well respected in that role. He could even be rewarded for stepping up with another role. It's not like we've not got precedent for caretaker managers staying at the club.
     
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  15. Pure River Slut

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    Aye that’s what I think it needs , though someone who also has a connection to power so Speakman has some accountability.
     
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    French manager coming in
     
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    French National or a manager in France?
     
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    National
     
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  19. Flash Gordon

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    We've all heard the way Dodds is talked about, he's very clearly well liked.

    The comparison to Ferguson is daft - no-one is talking about Dodds being the Head Coach. Man Utd players had Mike Phelan, Brian Kidd and Carlos Queiroz over the years who they all liked on a more human level. The balance is important.
     
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  20. Flash Gordon

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    Well it's not like you turn up every transfer window and post complete bullshit, so this is totally plausible.
     
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