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  1. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    That's generally the case, yes. However there is some evidence that a very small number of managers or coaches do actually make a difference (eg Clough, Ferguson, Wenger).
    So the right strategy might be to change managers often in the hope you eventually get one of the few good ones.
    Even if that is the case you need to give managers a fair amount of time to make sure you've not already got one of the good ones and even then whatever edge they have might not last. For example I think Wenger's early success was due to him being an early adopter of player data analysis. Once everyone else had those tools he stopped overperforming.
    Anyway, if you think the data show that Klopp and Guardiola are doing better than expected, given the wealth of their clubs, feel free to publish it.
     
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  2. Billy The Spur

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    Another disgraceful refereeing display at Klanfield last night, with yet another embarrassing penalty and 3 points gifted to Varpool. It is criminal how many extra undeserved points that rain down on Varpool year on year, courtesy of the officials. It they somehow sneaked into the back door of the CL (unlikely), it will be purely down to refereeing bias.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

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    Well for one thing, because he was ****e
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

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    Getting relegated?

    I mean if he manages that feat at Saltypool, I will be impressed...
     
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  5. The RDBD

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    During the Klopp era, the Poool have :

    1. PL

    although not being PL#2 in terms of revenue,
    they have finished no lower than 2nd on three
    occasions, with pts totals > 90, winning the PL once.

    2. CL

    reached the CL final 3 times. That is a rate that
    no PL era manager is even close to (you have
    to go back to the halcyon era of pre-Heysel to
    have comparative managers) .


    On the above basis I would contend that this
    is highly unlikely to be pure chance.
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Klopp’s a phenomenal manager but just a Grade A prick. Both Dortmund and Pool have enjoyed great success under him after toppling the money giants of their league’s.

    Pep’s works with practically unlimited resources but he plays a brand of football that’s porn worthy. Often delivers too, especially domestically.

    Big Sam’s a Don who instils the dog in teams. Every team managed by him generally becomes tough to beat.

    All three got skills the others don’t. Depending on where your club is at in terms of finances and stature, each would have reasons to be the preferred pick.
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

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    Brighton v Man Utd. What are people hoping for?
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The season to end to put us out of our misery.
     
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  9. SpursDisciple

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    We have no chance of finishing above Utd, but a small one of finishing above Brighton. So, regrettably, Utd win.
     
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  10. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Although, as you point out, you won’t regret it.
    Utd have an abysmal away record to top 9 teams this season so I don’t think that win is too likely.
     
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  11. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Spot on. They offer different things. Big Sam is the better option than the other two to take on Leeds with 4 games left.
    I doubt any could do what Clough did with two bottom half tier two clubs with no history and moderate support, but the game has changed beyond recognition.
    Clough is the best proof that a manager can make a huge difference - and turn ordinary players and teams into world beaters in a short space of time.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    Again, is there any way Man Utd could go on a winning run as Arsenal's season collapses?

    How many horses were in that race...?
     
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  13. O.Spurcat

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    I think I’m more likely to watch Colin do the great escape v Sheffield United.
     
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    Nice touch that by Ten Hag
     
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    Is the U18 final being shown anywhere?
     
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  16. The RDBD

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    A draw could fuel Mouser belief that they will
    finish 4th instead of Man Utd.
     
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  17. O.Spurcat

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    Spursplay are almost certainly showing it
     
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    Ta. :emoticon-0148-yes:
    I saw it advertised on VillaTV but couldn't find a link from the Spurs site.
     
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  20. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Strange line up from Brighton

    Mitoma should have scored
     
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