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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 10th January)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Jan 10, 2023.

  1. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    The only defender that doesn't suffer from low confidence is Cooper and that's why he's always first pick. The problem with Cooper is that he's not quite good enough at this level. It was interesting listening to Marsch talk about Wober after the Cardiff game where he said that you can rely on him to take responsibility and do the brave things. Reading inbetween the lines I think he is talking about confidence and not playing scared. It was pretty clear to me that he wanted Wober to come in because he won't wilt under the pressure.

    The Kristensen and Aaronson problems are strange because they both have the talent. They both care and they both give everything they have at every moment they have on the pitch.

    Kristensen has been vocal about him struggling to adapt to the pace of the league and that's pretty honest of him. He's a physical specimen and I think he might kick on as he adjusts. He has improved recently.

    Aaronson clearly has a lot going for him. He finds space, makes clever runs in dangerous areas and is unselfish. He's fairly quick, a great presser of the ball and has quick feet. I think his early success has made him a target and teams have started leaning on him a bit more and they usually crowd him out. He's a bit small and weak and probably doesn't get the free kicks he deserves because of the way he goes down and throws his arms about. He's still a great signing in my eyes but teams have found his weakness which is his physical strength. He's young, he'll learn from this spell and I believe he has the skill set to be an asset for us. It might have to be in a wider role for now where he will attract less attention. Needs some steak down him and a few weights sessions.
     
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  2. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    ...and yet both Cardiff goals came from the left side of defence where a left back should either be or giving some kind of cover.

    Maybe Firpo could be the new Pablo with all his creativity.
     
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  3. blonogasoven

    blonogasoven Well-Known Member

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    I do think he's got potential as a LWB. Maybe not Pablo but the new Gareth Bale :)

    Seriously though, no one gives him an inch. Even when he has a good game, where he had more impact going forward than most of our forwards, especially Joffy, he's still slated. I'm not saying he's good but credit where credits due.
     
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  4. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    He had his best game for us. There's his credit.

    He wasn't the worst defender in a white shirt either. That goes to Struijk and by a remarkable distance.
     
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  5. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    Being rated better than joe gelhardt v cardiff is not hard is it. Gelhardt needs to loaned out and sold.
     
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  6. blonogasoven

    blonogasoven Well-Known Member

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    According to Graham Smyth he was our best defender until Drameh came on. He had a good run of games at the end of last season too but they're forgotten too easily.
    It can't be easy seeing a CB chosen ahead of you, knowing that the fans think you're **** but when you get your chance you've got to take it.
    Alioski wasn't good defensively but made up for it because he contributed up front. Dallas is ideal as he can do both.
    I think Drameh is our most promising RB in front of Bill too.
     
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  7. blonogasoven

    blonogasoven Well-Known Member

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    I said more of a contribution going forward than most of our forwards. More than Aaronsson, Jimmy and actually even little Willy.
     
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  8. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    But we did not sell our best player in raphinha because i say he is way overrated. We had barcas pants down with him.
     
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  9. milkyboy

    milkyboy Well-Known Member

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    Honestly blono, I think most people have given firpo a <ok> for his second half… even emu begrudgingly <laugh>
     
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  10. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    Lengthy article but goes nowhere near to explaining why his value has gone from 750k to over 30 million in two years. Massive risk for me. Jadon Sancho was tearing up the German league, now he can’t even train with the scum first team. And as for this fitting our “model” of buying potential cheap, 30 million is cheap? Whatever we eventually sell him for if he is a success will never match the profit Hoffenheim has just earned from us.
     
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  11. oldschool

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    Without his goals our pants would be residing back in the championship ;)
     
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  12. ellandback

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    Aaronson is suffering from some confidence issue after the World Cup, but his early performances were very good. He just needs to re-find his form.
     
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  13. wakeybreakyheart

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    Bamford scored goals as well but he is not that good either.
     
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  14. wakeybreakyheart

    wakeybreakyheart Well-Known Member

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    So you believe leeds have 30 million right now to splash around. A deposit may be paid and the rest lots of clauses.
     
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  15. Jammy 07

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    A few games coming off the bench should help as there'll be more spaces to exploit whilst he's fresh.
     
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  16. Doc

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    At the end of the day it’s a roll of the dice for Marsch, Orta and Radz. Last year his value jumped to £16m from the £500k so a huge jump back then but Im guessing his real price is now £20m but having to pay a January premium plus future potential. Guess it’s just a fact of life in football mate
     
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  17. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sure you can compare the call between the two decisions in equal terms as yet. Bielsa’s change got us promoted and KP an international call up. I know you’re supporting Marsch but think you’ve gone early with the “genius” move by Jesse.
     
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  18. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo Carlos

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    Never said it was genius by Marsch. I said it was seen as genius by Bielsa when he moved Phillips.

    Also on this supporting Marsch thing. I have my own reservations on the guy and his system. I just think he has done some good things whilst in charge and I'm tired of everything seemingly being his fault ALL of the time.

    I stuck up for Bielsa and pointed at the players this time last season and those same players are now letting the new guy down with their insecurities and basic errors. All I'm saying when I stick up for Marsch is that nobody can turn this lot into a top 10 side. We could get rid but then what? Get who? Who can stop these individual mistakes? The only solid answer I received was from Jammy who said he'd take Dyche and park the bus.
     
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  19. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    I’ve no idea what we’ve paid, only what’s been reported. If you have better facts on the deal please enlighten me. Simple maths says we’ll never match the profit they’ve made from us.
     
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  20. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    But it was from Bielsa, we got promoted, he became an England international and the best team in the country wanted to buy him. If / when that happens to Greenwood I’ll hail Jesse’s decision as genius as well.
     
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