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Onionman said:
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Now I don't follow Rogan. On someone's recommendation I listened to his podcast a few times maybe four or five years ago and realised it wasn't really for me. So when you told me he'd been cancelled my thoughts were:

1. He's been cancelled? Oh, that's a surprise, I thought he was hugely popular with a load of subscribers.
2. Hang on, wasn't there something about a controversy last year?
3. Did he get ****ing taken off the air? Genuinely? What!?
4. I'd better have a quick look to check if that's true.

You've read the result.

That check took me about half a minute. If you're going to repeat talking points you've heard without even a perfunctory check on whether they are based in fact, you're going to get pushback.
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That's the thing, Vin. Pushback is cancellation as far as they're concerned. The idea that people might disagree with you loudly because you didn't do perfunctory research is the very sort of treatment of Joe Rogan that Os is talking about. Sure, nothing bad actually happened to him, but people had harsh things to say about him because he routinely peddles blatant disinformation and amplifies truly odious figures. The nerve!

The true meaning of free speech is that one gets to say whatever idiotic thing pops into their head, and then everyone claps. Because anything else, any sort of consequence whatsoever, is cancellation.
 
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On that subject, the husband of the Speaker of the House of the United States Congress was attacked, in his home, by a right-wing loon who had absorbed all of the sorts of conspiracies that now typify the right. That's not supposition, he had a blog where he laid out his beliefs. Paul Pelosi was beaten with a hammer (and had to undergo cranial surgery), and the man intended to either kill the Speaker or, at the very least according to the attacker, to break her kneecaps to 'send a message'.

Naturally, the result (beyond making jokes) has been...more conspiracy theories! Primarily, a conspiracy theory (from a notorious fake news site that, among other things, suggested that Hillary Clinton died in 2016 and was replaced by a body double) that the attacker and Paul Pelosi were gay lovers that had an argument. A conspiracy theory that Elon Musk himself amplified:

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If anyone wants to understand why the government might think that social media disinfo is a real problem, consider that political violence by those on the right has been increasing sharply, and that someone fed a diet of this nonsense just attempted to assassinate the person who is third in line to the presidency. That might be worth combating.
 
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Onionman said:
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Now I don't follow Rogan. On someone's recommendation I listened to his podcast a few times maybe four or five years ago and realised it wasn't really for me. So when you told me he'd been cancelled my thoughts were:

1. He's been cancelled? Oh, that's a surprise, I thought he was hugely popular with a load of subscribers.
2. Hang on, wasn't there something about a controversy last year?
3. Did he get ****ing taken off the air? Genuinely? What!?
4. I'd better have a quick look to check if that's true.

You've read the result.

That check took me about half a minute. If you're going to repeat talking points you've heard without even a perfunctory check on whether they are based in fact, you're going to get pushback.
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And yet it’s the one’s who check stuff, or who might just know a bit about what’s being spoken about, who are apparently the ones who “believe whatever they’re told”….
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
But you just said that vaccine damage is being talked about more and more? And then in the next post say that anyone mentioning covid vaccine side effects gets immediately cancelled? How can both those things be true?
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Of course they can both be true.

They have been massively trying to stop the discourse. Luckily the decentralisation of the internet means they find it harder to suppress the information now. But they still do a fantastic job of only allowing one side of an argument to be covered.

My Twitter account came up with a message “You must delete your post or you will be permanently banned” when I mentioned my family members covid vaccine illness. I literally had to delete the post. I wasn’t spreading misinformation. I wasn’t spreading conspiracy theories. I was talking about real life, with evidence.

I wonder how many people have been banned, and how many thousands of voices silenced?

How has this censorship affected the global discussions? If only one side is allowed to speak, how will we ever find truth?
 
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Onionman said:
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Now I don't follow Rogan. On someone's recommendation I listened to his podcast a few times maybe four or five years ago and realised it wasn't really for me. So when you told me he'd been cancelled my thoughts were:

1. He's been cancelled? Oh, that's a surprise, I thought he was hugely popular with a load of subscribers.
2. Hang on, wasn't there something about a controversy last year?
3. Did he get ****ing taken off the air? Genuinely? What!?
4. I'd better have a quick look to check if that's true.

You've read the result.

That check took me about half a minute. If you're going to repeat talking points you've heard without even a perfunctory check on whether they are based in fact, you're going to get pushback.
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They tried and failed to cancel Rogan. His following was too big, and the backlash was great.

but they 100% tried. There was an organised campaign against him. There were viral posts all of a sudden showing very old podcasts where he was saying controversial things.

The viral posts all appeared at once. They were mostly bots. Who was funding these bots? Why?
 
A great thread, unrolled here, which debunks all of Braverman’s dog-whistle proto-fascist calls to her Tory base very neatly:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1587153446041489409.html

And beautifully summarised here:
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If the UK did more to help alleviate the reasons why those people had to flee their homes, maybe asylum seekers wouldn’t be such a pressing problem. But then perhaps the Tories would have to find something else to distract us all from their own utter failure over the last 12 years.
 

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Osvaldorama said:
They tried and failed to cancel Rogan.
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Thing is, that's not what you said originally is it? You said

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Except for joe Rogan who was immediately cancelled
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You said he was cancelled, which you knew to be false, given your second statement above. I had to waste time checking whether the disagreement (that I heard about) had led to cancellation without my noticing. Once again (you have past form), I found that you had posted something that was demonstrably untrue as though it was fact. You need to spend less time in those echo chambers where victimhood doesn't have to be based on anything true and you can just make up any old lies to pretend the wolrd is against you. That behaviour is catching.
 
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Onionman said:
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Thing is, that's not what you said originally is it? You said



You said he was cancelled, which you knew to be false, given your second statement above. I had to waste time checking whether the disagreement (that I heard about) had led to cancellation without my noticing. Once again (you have past form), I found that you had posted something that was demonstrably untrue as though it was fact. You need to spend less time in those echo chambers where victimhood doesn't have to be based on anything true and you can just make up any old lies to pretend the wolrd is against you. That behaviour is catching.
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As I said, they tried very, very hard. There was a huge smear campaign against him.
Some of his podcasts were deleted. It was all over the internet & media that he was racist (demonstrably not true).

They DID cancel him. It just didn’t work properly. So my posts were accurate.

The same thing happened to Dave Chappelle, Andrew Tate and many others who go against the current main narrative. There is collusion between companies/entities and when they decide they don’t like you, that’s it. No social media, no bank accounts, no phone apps. Even uber stops working.
 
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As I said, they tried very, very hard. There was a huge smear campaign against him.
Some of his podcasts were deleted. It was all over the internet & media that he was racist (demonstrably not true).

They DID cancel him. It just didn’t work properly. So my posts were accurate.

The same thing happened to Dave Chappelle, Andrew Tate and many others who go against the current main narrative. There is collusion between companies/entities and when they decide they don’t like you, that’s it. No social media, no bank accounts, no phone apps. Even uber stops working.
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This Andrew Tate? https://www.theguardian.com/technol...violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate
 
Osvaldorama said:
As I said, they tried very, very hard. There was a huge smear campaign against him.
Some of his podcasts were deleted. It was all over the internet & media that he was racist (demonstrably not true).

They DID cancel him. It just didn’t work properly. So my posts were accurate.
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That post is an utterly dishonest crock of ****.

I must remember that when my mechanic tries to start my car and doesn't, it's actually been started. And that when I try to get a game for Saints and fail, I've actually played for Saints.

Before you circled down into the cesspool of an echo chamber you're obviously in, you'd have been able to see that and you'd have acknowledged you were wrong. Now you're left literally denying the meaning of words. I bet you didn't start out expecting to end up in a world where you have to manipulate language to bolster your infallibility.

I pity you. I really do. I'm so sorry for you being left at the mercy of anyone who tells you what you want to hear. I truly hope that someday you escape.
 
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Hahahahahahahahaha wow, yeah, we should all be very concerned about the 'cancellation' of Andrew Tate, a(n alleged!) human trafficker with incredibly retrograde views on women.

If ever there was a person who should be cancelled, it is him. And yet he has made nine figures spouting some of the most vile things imaginable. There's your proof that cancel culture is utter bullshit.
 
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