Match Day Thread Saintsy Saints Vs The Spam - Sunday 16th October - 2pm

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Genuine question. If we picked up 4 points in the next two games with Lavis returning, would people feel differently about the situation?

If we put in some excellent performances and all the players are clearly running through brick walls I probably would. I’ve said many times that I really like Ralph and want him to succeed. I don’t think he has suddenly become a terrible manager overnight. For me, as a few have said, it seems like he has run out of ideas and it’s time for something fresh.
 
I think from all of that it is probably all the negativity and constant moaning that gets me. I spend a lot of time trying to surround myself with positivity, looking on the bright side and spend 20-30 mins every day of quiet reflection (meditation) of what is good, what is bad and releasing the negative thoughts from me. I have always been a cheery person, and normally cut out sources of negativity and things that bring me down.

Don't get me wrong, we are not in a good place at the moment, but it is not a binary place where it is all good or all bad. There is middle ground and some good things. Too many people see it as the end of the world or the start of a journey to heaven.

Forums are to debate - you are right. However, sometimes this place is just a sea of some people losing their **** and ranting. Debate is a discussion, listening to both sides - not a rant and throwing your toys out of the pram. There are some that I have never, ever seen a positive or non ranting post.

Good points in here No 7, and why i dont post as often. Id much rather chat with people in person as it is easier to understand the points, and to find common ground.
 
Should we though? I mean, in theory, MP2 and Hughes also kept us up. Same as Ralph has done, kept us up.

I would imagine plenty of other managers could have done a similar job to Ralph in keeping us up. Seriously, if Ralph wasnt so likeable, I believe more people would have wanted him gone.

The flip side is other managers may not have kept us up, so fair play to Ralph, he has the baton so to speak, but he has done what was expected. End of last season, running on into this, it is below the standards required to keep us in the league. It is his squad, his formations, tactics etc. I just think he has done an average job, and great work as that was what I had expected, with a couple of good cup runs thrown in (that said, the Semi v Leicester line up still pisses me off).

Not necessarily talking about managers here, or comparing them. I’m talking about our unusual habit of staying in the league with little or no investment.
 
Not necessarily talking about managers here, or comparing them. I’m talking about our unusual habit of staying in the league with little or no investment.

Well, we managed it for many years, with little to no investment. And part of that is how the club is run and managed, including recruitment, making the most with the money you have available. It has always been one of our most endearing things to me, the underdog in us, this fight to upset the odds. Now, the way we play, we dont really stand for anything right now.
 
I think from all of that it is probably all the negativity and constant moaning that gets me. I spend a lot of time trying to surround myself with positivity, looking on the bright side and spend 20-30 mins every day of quiet reflection (meditation) of what is good, what is bad and releasing the negative thoughts from me. I have always been a cheery person, and normally cut out sources of negativity and things that bring me down.

Don't get me wrong, we are not in a good place at the moment, but it is not a binary place where it is all good or all bad. There is middle ground and some good things. Too many people see it as the end of the world or the start of a journey to heaven.

Forums are to debate - you are right. However, sometimes this place is just a sea of some people losing their **** and ranting. Debate is a discussion, listening to both sides - not a rant and throwing your toys out of the pram. There are some that I have never, ever seen a positive or non ranting post.


Have you considered that you might be wrong? Not chewing you out here mate but a couple of times on here you've actually been off the mark with your memory of what people have or haven't said.

There's very much ridiculously positive posters on here (You and Tom mainly!) And very negative ones, to which I'll put my hands up and admit I'm one and then there's posters looking for a row and posters who are pretty even keeled. It seems you're very much a glass half full kind of guy and actively seek ways of maintaining that. For me I work in a job where you see the very worst in life and I suppose that makes me a very negative person in general, but it's just football. When I rant on here it's just escapism I'm not meaning to bring anyone down, nor do I think it actually even matters that much when I stop and think about it for more than 10 seconds!
 
Have you considered that you might be wrong? Not chewing you out here mate but a couple of times on here you've actually been off the mark with your memory of what people have or haven't said.

There's very much ridiculously positive posters on here (You and Tom mainly!) And very negative ones, to which I'll put my hands up and admit I'm one and then there's posters looking for a row and posters who are pretty even keeled. It seems you're very much a glass half full kind of guy and actively seek ways of maintaining that. For me I work in a job where you see the very worst in life and I suppose that makes me a very negative person in general, but it's just football. When I rant on here it's just escapism I'm not meaning to bring anyone down, nor do I think it actually even matters that much when I stop and think about it for more than 10 seconds!

Well maybe we are both right, but have totally different outlooks in life.

As you said I am very much a glass half full person - something that has got me through some dark times in the last 53 years.

It is just football as you say I stopped letting it affect my life a long time ago. I’ll get pissed off for maybe an hour then I’ll get on with my day and worry about stuff I am in control of. That is why I personally find it hard how much to heart people take it and lose their **** on here. I also am rarely knee jerk in reaction to most things, so not so up and down as others on here when we lose or even win.

As you say doesn’t make my outlook right or wrong. It is just what it is. Things are lost in the written word and the unique thing about a football forum is that it brings together completely different types of people that wouldn’t normally spend time together in real life.
 
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I have been away from the Forum for quite a while, for a number of reasons, and I come back to find that Tom is now a Moderator (nightmare referee scenario) Laces has been re-named as Mr Status Quo, Billy isn't slagging off Badger, Archers is still Archers, and Chilco is still Chilco. No.7 is forever the Happy Clapper and even believes there must be something positive to be found in the possibility of nuclear war. Lincoln is pretty much still telling it as it is. Osvaldo is always being picked on, but isn't as daft as many folk think he is. The Queen is dead, the King is doing the stuff that King's do and we have a completely ****ed country.

Oh yes,......and who the **** is GregM1988 ? **** me, a million long posts, many of which I can't even get close to deciphering, so I went to Bletchley Park for help. They told me the key to unlocking what he posts is to be found in paragraph 3 of Ralph's Playbook which then has to be fed through Colossus at 3.3 degrees North, or the answer will be similar to one of Ralph's game plans.....as in making no bloody sense at all.

I must say there are some things that are comfortingly the same. Saints are still losing, Ralph, after 3+ years as the first team manager, still doesn't seem to know what the **** he is doing, and the club is now in exactly the same state in the PL table as it usually is. West Ham at home tomorrow? No thanks.

Nice to be back.
 
I have been away from the Forum for quite a while, for a number of reasons, and I come back to find that Tom is now a Moderator (nightmare referee scenario) Laces has been re-named as Mr Status Quo, Billy isn't slagging off Badger, Archers is still Archers, and Chilco is still Chilco. No.7 is forever the Happy Clapper and even believes there must be something positive to be found in the possibility of nuclear war. Lincoln is pretty much still telling it as it is. Osvaldo is always being picked on, but isn't as daft as many folk think he is. The Queen is dead, the King is doing the stuff that King's do and we have a completely ****ed country.

Oh yes,......and who the **** is GregM1988 ? **** me, a million long posts, many of which I can't even get close to deciphering, so I went to Bletchley Park for help. They told me the key to unlocking what he posts is to be found in paragraph 3 of Ralph's Playbook which then has to be fed through Colossus at 3.3 degrees North, or the answer will be similar to one of Ralph's game plans.....as in making no bloody sense at all.

I must say there are some things that are comfortingly the same. Saints are still losing, Ralph, after 3+ years as the first team manager, still doesn't seem to know what the **** he is doing, and the club is now in exactly the same state in the PL table as it usually is. West Ham at home tomorrow? No thanks.

Nice to be back.


<applause> (In a happily way of course). And welcome back!