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Tobes said:
Hang on though.

So you post ‘skin colour is being rammed down our throats on TV Ads and films etc’

I ask, ‘what does that mean?’

You refuse to answer, take a swipe at me, and then claim your answer would be somehow twisted into a ‘race agenda’? When it was you who made original comment about skin colour and thus race?

Don’t get it. Have a nice day.
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You can't ask questions on here mate. It's considered an attack <doh>

I'll answer it though. The only ones "ramming skin colour" when it comes to the problems in London are the people who only see that as the problem. As you said and I agree, if the approach was the same as it was in Glasgow, we'd get a lot further to resolving it. <ok>
 
Treble said:
You can't ask questions on here mate. It's considered an attack <doh>

I'll answer it though. The only ones "ramming skin colour" when it comes to the problems in London are the people who only see that as the problem. As you said and I agree, if the approach was the same as it was in Glasgow, we'd get a lot further to resolving it. <ok>
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I wasn't talking about London, I was just making an observation that IMO the media and tabloids have a lot to answer for fanning tensions between different cultures. As for attacking questions or opinions, aren't you and your mates doing the same thing when coming onto the Leeds Utd forum. <ok>
 
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I'm in no way answering on Shaks behalf but to put my view on it from earlier this year.

I have an 8 year old son. I'm white (mainly English/Scottish ancestors), his mum is white German. His best mates at school are Polish, Bangladesh and an albino kid. He doesn't care one jot. In the last year since the BLM movement he has really picked up on different races. His first question, which was heartbreaking for me and his mother was "why are black people different to everyone else?". That thought had never entered his mind until the BLM stuff was everywhere. That was his take on it all as an innocent 8 year old kid.

He is a big football fan and I can see him getting more and more perplexed as the kneeling and press and TV have gone on and on and on about it. We've tried to explain it to him but he is 8. He literally just shrugs as he doesn't understand why people are different to each other.

I suppose my point is that (most) kids don't see colour. I'll tell you what though. He does now. Not in a racist way. Just as it is portrayed in the media that somehow black people are different to everyone else. It's a ****ed up way to try and make a point imo.
 
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Emu said:
I'm in no way answering on Shaks behalf but to put my view on it from earlier this year.

I have an 8 year old son. I'm white (mainly English/Scottish ancestors), his mum is white German. His best mates at school are Polish, Bangladesh and an albino kid. He doesn't care one jot. In the last year since the BLM movement he has really picked up on different races. His first question, which was heartbreaking for me and his mother was "why are black people different to everyone else?". That thought had never entered his mind until the BLM stuff was everywhere. That was his take on it all as an innocent 8 year old kid.

He is a big football fan and I can see him getting more and more perplexed as the kneeling and press and TV have gone on and on and on about it. We've tried to explain it to him but he is 8. He literally just shrugs as he doesn't understand why people are different to each other.

I suppose my point is that (most) kids don't see colour. I'll tell you what though. He does now. Not in a racist way. Just as it is portrayed in the media that somehow black people are different to everyone else. It's a ****ed up way to try and make a point imo.
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You can answer for me anytime Emu because I'm not as educated or intelligent as some on here...<ok>
 
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Emu said:
I'm in no way answering on Shaks behalf but to put my view on it from earlier this year.

I have an 8 year old son. I'm white (mainly English/Scottish ancestors), his mum is white German. His best mates at school are Polish, Bangladesh and an albino kid. He doesn't care one jot. In the last year since the BLM movement he has really picked up on different races. His first question, which was heartbreaking for me and his mother was "why are black people different to everyone else?". That thought had never entered his mind until the BLM stuff was everywhere. That was his take on it all as an innocent 8 year old kid.

He is a big football fan and I can see him getting more and more perplexed as the kneeling and press and TV have gone on and on and on about it. We've tried to explain it to him but he is 8. He literally just shrugs as he doesn't understand why people are different to each other.

I suppose my point is that (most) kids don't see colour. I'll tell you what though. He does now. Not in a racist way. Just as it is portrayed in the media that somehow black people are different to everyone else. It's a ****ed up way to try and make a point imo.
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Tobes said:
Hang on though.

So you post ‘skin colour is being rammed down our throats on TV Ads and films etc’

I ask, ‘what does that mean?’

You refuse to answer, take a swipe at me, and then claim your answer would be somehow twisted into a ‘race agenda’? When it was you who made original comment about skin colour and thus race?

Don’t get it. Have a nice day.
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It means that due to the current climate advertising agencies, people in power and social media have suddenly substituted black people for white people as its 'the in thing to do'. All they are doing is papering over the cracks - hypercritical bastards. Bloody shoot em.......

30 years ago, the 'in thing' to do was to give women equal working rights. A political party would get a big pat on the back for putting a woman in a position of authority (apart from our Maggie, gowd bless her). Today its Black rights.

These figures don't lie. People from non white backgrounds get mostly the crap jobs that nobody else wants. Bending down on one knee for 10 seconds followed by a lecture from a hypercritical broadcaster is not going to change mindsets.
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Emu summed it up. Kids just see other kids until someone tells them that some kids are different. It's ridiculous.
This is one of the least racist countries in the world and we need to keep it that way.
I'm not privileged because I'm white, I'm privileged because I have a roof over my head. I'm privileged because I have a job. I'm privileged because I'm healthy. I'm privileged because my parents lived in the UK when I was born and not in a poor country.
None of my privilege is because of my race.
 
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blonogasoven said:
Emu summed it up. Kids just see other kids until someone tells them that some kids are different. It's ridiculous.
This is one of the least racist countries in the world and we need to keep it that way.
I'm not privileged because I'm white, I'm privileged because I have a roof over my head. I'm privileged because I have a job. I'm privileged because I'm healthy. I'm privileged because my parents lived in the UK when I was born and not in a poor country.
None of my privilege is because of my race.
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You are privileged to be on this forum:emoticon-0136-giggl
 
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Quick question for all you knowledgable people out there.
When a player takes the knee (which is one thing) and then proceeds to give the black power salute, by doing this what is he actually saying ?
 
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2 pennth said:
Quick question for all you knowledgable people out there.
When a player takes the knee (which is one thing) and then proceeds to give the black power salute, by doing this what is he actually saying ?
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When they did it in the 1968 Olympic Games it was a powerful protest against the segregation and racism in the USA at the time.
In this country the immigrant Irish suffered as well as the people of colour. The vast, overwhelming majority of us have moved on. I don't think that there is systemic racism in this country now.
Individual racism exists and black players giving the black power salute will only give those people something to complain about. Many footballers have already said that they shouldn't do it any more.
 
blonogasoven said:
When they did it in the 1968 Olympic Games it was a powerful protest against the segregation and racism in the USA at the time.
In this country the immigrant Irish suffered as well as the people of colour. The vast, overwhelming majority of us have moved on. I don't think that there is systemic racism in this country now.
Individual racism exists and black players giving the black power salute will only give those people something to complain about. Many footballers have already said that they shouldn't do it any more.
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If this country is that racist why do the people who keep spouting about it.
1, keep staying.
Or if people who have heard this are en route through other European countries.
2, still come.
It doesn't add up if we're that bad compared to other countries
 
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Segregation and racism suits some people. If you can stir up the young or poorly educated in particular, it is easy to divert attention from your real agenda - just look at what is happening now in Northern Ireland. Loyalist criminals are very well suited having "protestors" causing trouble and stirring up old divides, it takes the police and political attention away from the real motives.

Personally, skin colour matters not one jot to me but I can see why the likes of Shaks get in a lather when they see skin colour, sexual orientation, gender or whatever being used as the motivation for someone being in the press or on TV. There is a definite shift of power happening and it isn't all based upon ability, it is political correctness and is frequently driven by those crying loudest because they have the most to gain. Reading Emu & Blono's posts above I can understand their concern about kids questioning why people of different colours are different because, for example, BLM are making themselves different and shouting about it.

Before any of the Lefty's jump on me, I employ 10 people including 2 Portuguese and 1 English born of Asian heritage - they are valued and treated identically to everyone else - genuinely, colour is of no interest to me at all just the person within. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Ps I rarely post anything on this thread because I find some of the outright nastiness quite abhorrent
 
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Marcos Barber said:
Segregation and racism suits some people. If you can stir up the young or poorly educated in particular, it is easy to divert attention from your real agenda - just look at what is happening now in Northern Ireland. Loyalist criminals are very well suited having "protestors" causing trouble and stirring up old divides, it takes the police and political attention away from the real motives.

Personally, skin colour matters not one jot to me but I can see why the likes of Shaks get in a lather when they see skin colour, sexual orientation, gender or whatever being used as the motivation for someone being in the press or on TV. There is a definite shift of power happening and it isn't all based upon ability, it is political correctness and is frequently driven by those crying loudest because they have the most to gain. Reading Emu & Blono's posts above I can understand their concern about kids questioning why people of different colours are different because, for example, BLM are making themselves different and shouting about it.

Before any of the Lefty's jump on me, I employ 10 people including 2 Portuguese and 1 English born of Asian heritage - they are valued and treated identically to everyone else - genuinely, colour is of no interest to me at all just the person within. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Ps I rarely post anything on this thread because I find some of the outright nastiness quite abhorrent
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Tobes said:
I haven’t given an opinion on him, in any way, shape or form, so I’ve no idea what you think I’ve got wrong.
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Irishshako said:
Now I know you're trying get me to bite. I also know you think you are more intelligent than any other poster on 606. So you know exactly what I mean and therefore I'm not going to elaborate anymore on my comment.<ok>
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My fault, it was Shaks that said it. I wasn't paying attention.

I thought you were saying that Shako was intelligent <laugh>
 
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Marcos Barber said:
Segregation and racism suits some people. If you can stir up the young or poorly educated in particular, it is easy to divert attention from your real agenda - just look at what is happening now in Northern Ireland. Loyalist criminals are very well suited having "protestors" causing trouble and stirring up old divides, it takes the police and political attention away from the real motives.

Personally, skin colour matters not one jot to me but I can see why the likes of Shaks get in a lather when they see skin colour, sexual orientation, gender or whatever being used as the motivation for someone being in the press or on TV. There is a definite shift of power happening and it isn't all based upon ability, it is political correctness and is frequently driven by those crying loudest because they have the most to gain. Reading Emu & Blono's posts above I can understand their concern about kids questioning why people of different colours are different because, for example, BLM are making themselves different and shouting about it.

Before any of the Lefty's jump on me, I employ 10 people including 2 Portuguese and 1 English born of Asian heritage - they are valued and treated identically to everyone else - genuinely, colour is of no interest to me at all just the person within. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Ps I rarely post anything on this thread because I find some of the outright nastiness quite abhorrent
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Before any of the Lefty's jump on me, I employ 10 people including 2 Portuguese and 1 English born of Asian heritage - and keep them in my basement

<yikes>
 
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