Off Topic London Calling: Summer Holidays Abroad 2021 in doubt?

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I just don't understand why there is not control.

I just looked at the flights now arriving and they're from China, Mexico, USA, etc.

How many are essential and how can this be allowed, this was yesterday at Heathrow <doh>

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As far as Tories are concerned John Major is one that I actually have time for. Always speaks well.
He speaks well and is very affable, but he is a weak-willed idiot who wouldn't have a clue what to do in response to a health crisis.

He was responsible for perhaps four or five of the most damaging things done to Britain (depending on your view of the coal industry in the 1990s).

As Chancellor of the Exchequer he (along with a few other pro Europeans) he talked the cabinet into going against Thatcher and signing up to the European Exchange Rate Mechanism when the pound was at a currency high and we were going into a recession.

As PM he privatised British Rail and British Coal.

As PM he signed the Maastricht Treaty and refused to have a UK-wide vote on ratification in light of its rejection by Denmark.

He was losing the Maastricht vote in the commons so, to force its approval, he made the final vote a vote of confidence in the government. Thus, if he lost this time, it would trigger a general election, where any Tory MP who voted against would have already been automatically suspended from the Tory party.

As PM he had us raise interest rates to 10%, then 12% ( promising raising to 15% soon) and spend £3.3 billion on Black Wednesday keeping us in the ERM limits before conceding defeat and letting Lamont take us out of the ERM.

This last event put and helped keep Labour in power for three terms of office.
 
But all those essential businessmen in that queue !

One of the worst examples was the 200 British skiers who ignored quarantine in Verbier at Christmas. They'd been mixing with visitors from South Africa where a new strain of the virus has been identified. The British decided quarantine wasn't convenient so just returned to the UK without a care or thought for anyone else.

'Stay at home unless your journey is essential' ...

... what a f*****g joke.
 
One of the worst examples was the 200 British skiers who ignored quarantine in Verbier at Christmas. They'd been mixing with visitors from South Africa where a new strain of the virus has been identified. The British decided quarantine wasn't convenient so just returned to the UK without a care or thought for anyone else.

'Stay at home unless your journey is essential' ...

... what a f*****g joke.

Never mind the challenges of Brexit change, the challenges of pandemic recovery, and all the usual challenges the country faces, we seriously need to look at the decline in the quality of society and attitudes of the British people. We need to stop the rot of uncaring and disrespect, it'll deteriorate even more as the new generations follow suit . (Rant over, maybe a discussion for the close season.)
 
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Never mind the challenges of Brexit change, the challenges of pandemic recovery, and all the usual challenges the country faces, we seriously need to look at the decline in the quality of society and attitudes of the British people. We need to stop the rot of uncaring and disrespect, it'll deteriorate even more as the new generations follow suit . (Rant over, maybe a discussion for the close season.)
It feels like the close season.
 
Never mind the challenges of Brexit change, the challenges of pandemic recovery, and all the usual challenges the country faces, we seriously need to look at the decline in the quality of society and attitudes of the British people. We need to stop the rot of uncaring and disrespect, it'll deteriorate even more as the new generations follow suit . (Rant over, maybe a discussion for the close season.)

The latest Chav catchphrase is,

"This is how I am, if you don't like it just jog on."

It translates as,
"I'm an oaf who doesn't care how I appear and I'm assuming you actually want to be near me."

There's a growing number of them and they believe the onus is on you to keep out of their way ....

... without realising you already are and don't need their permission to 'jog on'.
 
Never mind the challenges of Brexit change, the challenges of pandemic recovery, and all the usual challenges the country faces, we seriously need to look at the decline in the quality of society and attitudes of the British people. We need to stop the rot of uncaring and disrespect, it'll deteriorate even more as the new generations follow suit . (Rant over, maybe a discussion for the close season.)
Bring back public floggings, that'd stop the self entitled pricks in a heartbeat
 
Never mind the challenges of Brexit change, the challenges of pandemic recovery, and all the usual challenges the country faces, we seriously need to look at the decline in the quality of society and attitudes of the British people. We need to stop the rot of uncaring and disrespect, it'll deteriorate even more as the new generations follow suit . (Rant over, maybe a discussion for the close season.)
It's almost like some politician 40 years ago telling everyone that "there is no such thing as society" and to look after themselves and not give a hoot about anybody else is coming back to haunt us isn't it?
 
Never mind the challenges of Brexit change, the challenges of pandemic recovery, and all the usual challenges the country faces, we seriously need to look at the decline in the quality of society and attitudes of the British people. We need to stop the rot of uncaring and disrespect, it'll deteriorate even more as the new generations follow suit . (Rant over, maybe a discussion for the close season.)
The role of the church has been eroded over the years. Society morales have declined and suffered accordingly.
 
The role of the church has been eroded over the years. Society morales have declined and suffered accordingly.

Funnily enough , just a few days ago I was thinking about churches alongside pubs and the influence they had on society and community . Without having religion forced on a youngster, a couple of years of going to Sunday school gave young kids a grounding in right and wrong . Then pubs , with the old opening hours and not closing down because of high beer tax and shop competition got the community together with generations mixing . Maybe an idea to get the churches opened up and license them !
 
Funnily enough , just a few days ago I was thinking about churches alongside pubs and the influence they had on society and community . Without having religion forced on a youngster, a couple of years of going to Sunday school gave young kids a grounding in right and wrong . Then pubs , with the old opening hours and not closing down because of high beer tax and shop competition got the community together with generations mixing . Maybe an idea to get the churches opened up and license them !
No need marra, every pub that i've ever been to has a drunk preaching to others. Just shut down the churches :))
 
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It's almost like some politician 40 years ago telling everyone that "there is no such thing as society" and to look after themselves and not give a hoot about anybody else is coming back to haunt us isn't it?

Fair point tbh.

'Every man for himself' is fine but that's not how a healthy society works imo.

There's a spoken passage, in a song by The Unthanks, from an archive recording of Tyneside miner Jack Elliott that always resonates.

'Morals are social in their origin, I've always found. I used to teach my children this: if you hurt society, you hurt yourself, for one simple reason you're a member of society.'


Might sound a bit soppy to people but it's more or less how I see things.
 
Fair point tbh.

'Every man for himself' is fine but that's not how a healthy society works imo.

There's a spoken passage, in a song by The Unthanks, from an archive recording of Tyneside miner Jack Elliott that always resonates.

'Morals are social in their origin, I've always found. I used to teach my children this: if you hurt society, you hurt yourself, for one simple reason you're a member of society.'


Might sound a bit soppy to people but it's more or less how I see things.
Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you.

Or translated into the modern version...

Do unto others before they have the chance to do unto you