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sb_73 said:
Perhaps irrelevant is too strong a word, and no argument from me that test and trace has been a disaster, laughable if it wasn’t so important. And yes, leadership both political and scientific has been pretty absent. They all seem out of their depth. Sadly it’s not confined to the UK.

This whole event has done public confidence in science no good whatsoever in my view, and Whitty and Vallance have contributed hugely to this. Their performance yesterday was shameful. At the start I was willing to trust them completely, now I greet their appearance with derision.

Now I will upset a few here.......the ultimate saviours in all this will be hard nosed commercial companies, and they will make money out of it - whether through vaccines, antibody treatments, anti viral treatments or other things. These treatments will mean we can co exist with the virus while living normal(ish) lives. All of the public health measures short of complete isolation are of only limited impact.
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So capitalism will be the saviour, many in Islington will be choking on their granola...
 
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So, the detailed briefing only heard by Johnson, Sunak, Hancock and Gove was leaked to Peston, forcing Johnson’s hand over a lockdown to his fury and leading to the chaos of delayed press conferences (meant to happen on Monday) and the BBC really did say it wouldn’t move Strictly.

so who is the guilty party? Sunday Times reckons Hancock. Wouldn’t put it past Gove though.
 
sb_73 said:
Perhaps irrelevant is too strong a word, and no argument from me that test and trace has been a disaster, laughable if it wasn’t so important. And yes, leadership both political and scientific has been pretty absent. They all seem out of their depth. Sadly it’s not confined to the UK.

This whole event has done public confidence in science no good whatsoever in my view, and Whitty and Vallance have contributed hugely to this. Their performance yesterday was shameful. At the start I was willing to trust them completely, now I greet their appearance with derision.

Now I will upset a few here.......the ultimate saviours in all this will be hard nosed commercial companies, and they will make money out of it - whether through vaccines, antibody treatments, anti viral treatments or other things. These treatments will mean we can co exist with the virus while living normal(ish) lives. All of the public health measures short of complete isolation are of only limited impact.
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I wouldn't begrudge any of the companies that profit from getting us out of this mess a penny and I'd guess it would be a mere drop compared to the cost of operating through the pandemic as it currently stands.

That's assuming they don't hold the world to ransom over treatments and vaccines but I guess the profits will be there without needing to.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
I know you won't know the answer to this Beth, but I wonder whether the proposed vaccine(s) will prevent or supress Long Covid?
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Well I don’t have Beth’s expertise, but I would assume that an effective vaccine would reduce long COVID cases simply by reducing the number of people who get infected with COVID, which must be a necessary cause of the long version.

Sadly I can’t see how it would make any difference to people who have long COVID now though. I’d guess that if she were given a test your wife would be negative for the virus, yet she still has its legacy, the body’s own misdirected response to it.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
I know you won't know the answer to this Beth, but I wonder whether the proposed vaccine(s) will prevent or supress Long Covid?
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Steel ...I will/wont answer this with a I don't know. But I think/ probably hope that it might just.
My reason:-
If the vaccine changes Covid 19 from a deadly disease in some...to a common cold like event, it may therefore attenuate the symptoms in other people too. People like your wife, who for some reason we don't quite know, after the infection are left with longterm symptoms. If it was a milder infection initially it is fairly logical to think the long term effects may also lessen too.
I am afraid for those people now with long Covid19, I am not sure it will be any help. Sorry
 
KooPeeArr said:
I wouldn't begrudge any of the companies that profit from getting us out of this mess a penny and I'd guess it would be a mere drop compared to the cost of operating through the pandemic as it currently stands.

That's assuming they don't hold the world to ransom over treatments and vaccines but I guess the profits will be there without needing to.
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I will PM you some info on this. In essence you are spot on.
 
Steelmonkey said:
I know you won't know the answer to this Beth, but I wonder whether the proposed vaccine(s) will prevent or supress Long Covid?
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Steels, my wife doesn't have long-Covid (we don't think) but she has had very similar symptoms (as a post viral syndrome or something) and a lot of them match (ectopic beats especially bending over, climbing stairs, putting out washing etc, shortness of breath, rib pain, throat pain) and she's had chronic fatigue for years before this. We had trips to A and E, heart scans and all sorts of quack diagnoses throughout 2019 with nothing apparently wrong.

Assuming there is a cross over, one thing that does make a slight difference has seemed to be easy posture exercises - hands on head while standing upright when she is already on her feet and other simple, but not intense, stretches. Back massages too (I try to do this daily but we're not so good on managing our time).

It's not a miracle cure but even marginal benefits are something.

All the best to you and your wife.
 
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Sooperhoop said:
Went for my morning walk for the papers as usual through the local sports ground by Norwood Junction and the local Aldi had a queue right out of the car park and heading towards the station, are these people barmy or what? The food shops won't be closing and I bet some of these idiots still have toilet rolls from March...
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It's going to be empty shelves all over again.
****wits.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
I was in the car park of a supermarket during the week and this fella came out with five multipacks of loo roll, five huge bags of pasta, a crate of 24 pot noodles, six lots of washing liquid and fabric softener, a massive pile of multipack baked beans and a pile of other stuff - what a ****
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What a ****er!
 
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Feels like we're right back to square one, apart from medics understanding the virus better.
A mainly incompetent government and a myriad of experts saying opposite things, not to mention all the experts on here.

Who and what to believe?
 
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rangercol said:
Feels like we're right back to square one, apart from medics understanding the virus better.
A mainly incompetent government and a myriad of experts saying opposite things, not to mention all the experts on here.

Who and what to believe?
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I have no idea Col to be honest. I am not really sure anyone has.

There have been some serious mistakes made. My current bugbear is the Trace and Track system, but Germany in particular seem to have a good TandT system, but they are back in lockdown. Perhaps one day we will work out what South Korea and Japan have done so right.

I think I know what NZ has done right...shut their borders tight shut really early. I wish we had done that.

Now as said above we are lacking real leadership, leadership that is not based on rash descisions, leaked documents and cronyism
 
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qprbeth said:
I have no idea Col to be honest. I am not really sure anyone has.

There have been some serious mistakes made. My current bugbear is the Trace and Track system, but Germany in particular seem to have a good TandT system, but they are back in lockdown. Perhaps one day we will work out what South Korea and Japan have done so right.

I think I know what NZ has done right...shut their borders tight shut really early. I wish we had done that.

Now as said above we are lacking real leadership, leadership that is not based on rash descisions, leaked documents and cronyism
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Today's political class are not capable of this, none of them.
 
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KooPeeArr said:
Steels, my wife doesn't have long-Covid (we don't think) but she has had very similar symptoms (as a post viral syndrome or something) and a lot of them match (ectopic beats especially bending over, climbing stairs, putting out washing etc, shortness of breath, rib pain, throat pain) and she's had chronic fatigue for years before this. We had trips to A and E, heart scans and all sorts of quack diagnoses throughout 2019 with nothing apparently wrong.

Assuming there is a cross over, one thing that does make a slight difference has seemed to be easy posture exercises - hands on head while standing upright when she is already on her feet and other simple, but not intense, stretches. Back massages too (I try to do this daily but we're not so good on managing our time).

It's not a miracle cure but even marginal benefits are something.

All the best to you and your wife.
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Thanks pal, we'll try some of those.

Some improvement this week, although still in a lot of pain. The symptoms seem to come and go, different ones affecting her at different times - it's really strange, which is making it harder for the medics to pin down exactly what is going on. Cardiology on Thursday, so hopefully either some answers or something else ticked off the list.
 
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