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Theres all sorts of rumours. Beaten up and kod in sparring is one. All i know that is one of the worst defences of a world title ive ever seen.

I think its the end of the road.

He will fight again but this wasnt a Lennox Lewis type loss. He looked completely gun shy and was looking for the canvas in the 7th.

Even in a week heavyweight division i think he will get taken out again and the Fury Wilder fights wont happen now.

Love him to prove me wrong.

But I think forget all the conspiracys hes just been exposed.
 
Hilts24 said:
Theres all sorts of rumours. Beaten up and kod in sparring is one. All i know that is one of the worst defences of a world title ive ever seen.

I think its the end of the road.

He will fight again but this wasnt a Lennox Lewis type loss. He looked completely gun shy and was looking for the canvas in the 7th.

Even in a week heavyweight division i think he will get taken out again and the Fury Wilder fights wont happen now.

Love him to prove me wrong.

But I think forget all the conspiracys hes just been exposed.
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No conspiracy from me, I've never been on the hype train and stated numerous times how poor the heavyweight division is but I do think that what happened on Saturday was just a blip and he is most certainly better than he showed. I think he'll win the rematch. Beyond that I don't know. He won't cope with Wilders power or Fury's movement but I guess we'll see how it all develops in the coming months.
 
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I'm not the only one to use the word "Quit" then. That is what he did. He didn't want any more. Not my idea of a champion. I'm all for boxers having a good defence, nimble and evasive (eg Ali) but that is different to being scared of being hit. Joshua is scared of being hit, as was Klitschko. You can see in in the way they back off; they have "Don't hit me" written all over their face. You don't see that expression with great champions. Whatever was wrong with Joshua that night, he has been fully exposed and he will be again.
 
I hear that Joshua takes some kind of drug that is allowed in Britain but not in America. Really? Surely all his other fights haven't been dependent on allowable drugs. Conversely, with so much money available through betting on Ruiz, could he have been drugged. Was there a drug test after the fight? Should have been, given the scale of the shock and Joshua's performance.

The other theory about him being up late with the media, enjoying all the glamour, and lack of sleep caught up with him … well, how can any trainer worth his salt allow that.

Whilst I stand by what I said in previous post, there was something wrong with Joshua that night and hopefully something will come to light. You never know what forces may be at work in the fight game
 
Juicing is done in cycles Ron, that's why people like Lance Armstrong never tested positive. Just have a quick search into the career of Victor Conte and you'll see some alarming stuff, including testimony concerning many Olympic victories. Max Kellerman says it's widely known that there's wide use of drugs in elite sport. It can take years to perfect testing on a new cheat system, but the finding of ways to cheat is usually much faster. I remember a few years back someone said that testing is a decade behind the cheats. And this is not to suggest that Joshua is doping.

As for the Joshua failure, a lot is now beginning to emerge, of course there's a great chance that it's all crap, but it's said that the reason AJ's father had a serious crack at Eddie Hearn while in the ring after the fight, was because he wanted the fight postponed. As I said this could very well be ****, but the word is that the team called in a rolly poly gent called Joey Dawejko to mimic Ruiz in sparing. Again it could be ****, but Dawejko is supposed to have starched Joshua in the lead up to the fight.

He may have been concussed going into the fight .... so the suggestion goes. Take as you wish from it all.
 
Cyclonic said:
Juicing is done in cycles Ron, that's why people like Lance Armstrong never tested positive. Just have a quick search into the career of Victor Conte and you'll see some alarming stuff, including testimony concerning many Olympic victories. Max Kellerman says it's widely known that there's wide use of drugs in elite sport. It can take years to perfect testing on a new cheat system, but the finding of ways to cheat is usually much faster. I remember a few years back someone said that testing is a decade behind the cheats. And this is not to suggest that Joshua is doping.

As for the Joshua failure, a lot is now beginning to emerge, of course there's a great chance that it's all crap, but it's said that the reason AJ's father had a serious crack at Eddie Hearn while in the ring after the fight, was because he wanted the fight postponed. As I said this could very well be ****, but the word is that the team called in a rolly poly gent called Joey Dawejko to mimic Ruiz in sparing. Again it could be ****, but Dawejko is supposed to have starched Joshua in the lead up to the fight.

He may have been concussed going into the fight .... so the suggestion goes. Take as you wish from it all.
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I assume "starched" means beat up? Never heard that expression before
 
smokethedeadbadger said:
No conspiracy from me, I've never been on the hype train and stated numerous times how poor the heavyweight division is but I do think that what happened on Saturday was just a blip and he is most certainly better than he showed. I think he'll win the rematch. Beyond that I don't know. He won't cope with Wilders power or Fury's movement but I guess we'll see how it all develops in the coming months.
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I agree it was just a blip. But I don't think it was that much of a blip.

To me he looked worried and uneasy when he entered the ring. Maybe that was a physical/mental thing for being allegedly KO'ed in sparring. I don't know, but he didn't look himself.

I think we can all agree that he isn't going to be a world beater. There is every chance that because the division is so poor that he ultimately may make a good comeback.
I personally don't think he will come back from this.

I don't think he will beat Ruiz in the rematch, due to the nature of the loss. That said, he should beat him as his record isn't exactly star-studded and he certainly doesn't scream out as a KO artist or a dangerous opponent.
 
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Finally got to rewatch the ring walk today.

Absolutely no way on this green Earth that Anthony Joshua was himself walking to that fight.

Personally I think he looks like he’s just woken up and they’ve hurried him to get ready. He looks confused and a little vacant in my opinion. Away with the ****ing fairies, trying to get his mind right.
The little fist taps on his face, the random little jog for a few steps in the back of the arena to try to snap himself out of it - it’s little things that he never does.

Asking his corner “why am I feeling like this?”

Who knows the cause but it seems pretty clear now he should never have gone out there that night.

All I can say is thank god he wasn’t seriously hurt.

Ignore everything Eddie Hearn has said- just watch the whole thing back with your own eyes.
 
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TopClass said:
Finally got to rewatch the ring walk today.

Absolutely no way on this green Earth that Anthony Joshua was himself walking to that fight.

Personally I think he looks like he’s just woken up and they’ve hurried him to get ready. He looks confused and a little vacant in my opinion. Away with the ****ing fairies, trying to get his mind right.
The little fist taps on his face, the random little jog for a few steps in the back of the arena to try to snap himself out of it - it’s little things that he never does.

Asking his corner “why am I feeling like this?”

Who knows the cause but it seems pretty clear now he should never have gone out there that night.

All I can say is thank god he wasn’t seriously hurt.

Ignore everything Eddie Hearn has said- just watch the whole thing back with your own eyes.
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Why the hell did the manager let him get like that and then let him go in the ring. Money. Maybe Hearn said this is too important. You can win against this fellow anyway. Just ko him early and it will be OK. Could explain his uncontrolled attempt to ko Ruiz. If this is all down to the trainer and Hearn then maybe AJ should think about ditching the pair of them. On the other hand, if they paid some fat slob to spar with AJ and AJ couldn't handle him, there isn't much hope for him anyway


He wasn't really hit by ko punches and yet he went down got up and quit. As I said earlier, this chap had failed to ko 10 nobodies. AJ looked frightened. Did he really ask his corner “Why am I feeling like this?”, and at what stage was this question?
 
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Steve Bunce reckons that when his Dad was rollicking Eddie, Joshua said “it was me, Dad”. Think it’s in his BBC article with Mike Costello this week. He hints it might have been to do with the decision to fight but equally Bunce rightly points a out that we don’t know the contexts to those words.

A lot of ‘quit’ accusations thrown around since which is understandable, but just put yourself in his shoes for a second and imagine that you don’t feel right in the dressing room, every shot you’re being caught with is knocking you over, you’re feeling confused and yet you keep getting back on your feet trying to get your base back. The ref stopped him on his feet and it might be the luckiest thing for his career because who knows what damage might have been done afterwards. I’m not sure he quit at all, but I do think he was glad to get the hell out of there and try to steady himself.
 
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TopClass said:
Steve Bunce reckons that when his Dad was rollicking Eddie, Joshua said “it was me, Dad”. Think it’s in his BBC article with Mike Costello this week. He hints it might have been to do with the decision to fight but equally Bunce rightly points a out that we don’t know the contexts to those words.

A lot of ‘quit’ accusations thrown around since which is understandable, but just put yourself in his shoes for a second and imagine that you don’t feel right in the dressing room, every shot you’re being caught with is knocking you over, you’re feeling confused and yet you keep getting back on your feet trying to get your base back. The ref stopped him on his feet and it might be the luckiest thing for his career because who knows what damage might have been done afterwards. I’m not sure he quit at all, but I do think he was glad to get the hell out of there and try to steady himself.
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Will the truth ever come to light?
Could he have been concussed before the fight? Aren't boxers examined by a doctor before they go into the ring?
Could he have been drugged? Was there not a drug test after the fight?
Was it lack of sleep? Who allowed that to happen?
Was he beaten up in training by a fat slob? If so he can't be very good

Any other excuses being offered?
 
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Will the truth ever come to light?
Could he have been concussed before the fight? Aren't boxers examined by a doctor before they go into the ring?
Could he have been drugged? Was there not a drug test after the fight?
Was it lack of sleep? Who allowed that to happen?
Was he beaten up in training by a fat slob? If so he can't be very good

Any other excuses being offered?
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Was Sergio Ramos anywhere to be seen? Maybe he did a "Karius" on him <laugh>
 
He seemed totally fine in post fight interviews. Him and his camp say there were no issues.

Bellew after his defeat was definitely still affected by the stoppage. Joshua seemed fine in comparison.

He was also capable of putting together the combination that put Ruiz down.

Problems started when Ruiz didnt follow the script and fought back. Joshua just couldn't handle it and eventually spat out his gum shield and left the ref with no choice to end it.
 
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I don't really think he quit Hilts. I've been doing a bit of reading on concussion and the general consensus is that it usually takes 7-10 days to recover. As Joshua was badly concussed in the third round where his legs badly went and he was dropped twice, there is no way that could stay unaffected for the rest of the fight. That was why he was so easily finished when Ruiz finally got a decent shot on him in the seventh. Joshua had the living daylights beaten out of him in the third and seventh rounds. He was beaten to a point where his concentration levels were just about gone.

Sorry mate, but the poor bloke suffered s systematic beat down that was bordering on cruel. At no point did Joshua say no at the end, instead he put up his gloves and took a couple of shuffling steps forward before the ref decided that Joshua was too far gone. I'm more that happy to give a heap of credit to Anthony Joshua for the way he went out on his shield. He took one of the worst beatings in modern heavyweight, championship boxing, and in the end the ref had to protect him from himself. In fact, each time he was beaten to the canvas, he manfully climbed to his feet for more of the same. And he didn't for a minute sit on his stool between rounds and say "**** this, I'm out of here!"

P.S. I have nothing against A.J., but I'm really happy that Andy Ruiz seized the day. :)
 
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I have nothing against A.J., but I'm really happy that Andy Ruiz seized the day. :)
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The only reason I'm not too chuffed about it is that I think the belts will get split if there isn't an immediate rematch and that means even weaker champions. The pool of talent in the heavyweights is pretty shallow so if the titles get split then we're going to see some pretty piss poor heavyweights.

Absolutely nothing against AJ but I'd quite like to see Ruiz retain in a rematch to prove it wasn't a fluke. It's one of the reasons I think I don't give Tyson Fury is full due because I feel like his win over Klitschko was a one off and would have loved to see the rematch to prove me wrong
 
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Only seen the pre-fight footage once in the early hours of the morning, but I recall him still being in his tracksuit not long before the fight?

Maybe a lack of proper warm up/prep?

Might have it wrong though, may have been footage of earlier in the night.
 
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