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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    God forbid........NOT THE US OF A please....no
     
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  2. benditlikeabanana

    benditlikeabanana Well-Known Member

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    Why is it the the left always just say immigrants ? Instead of separating legal and illegal immigrants?
     
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  3. StJabbo

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    Are you saying revoke Art. 50, GE then referendum? Leave out the GE enough bile flowing already. What would be on your referendum ballot? No deal was voted down (WTO no no no) so it's leave with the current negotiated terms (finalised, no further discussion say the EU27) or stay?. With Art. 50 revoked QM for the referendum, what percentage 60-40, 55-45?
    The Irish border question isn't going away (Trump's wall nonsense worthy of derision elsewhere). The tottering EU argument doesn't hold water from where I am in The Netherlands no domino effect perceived. In fact a number of countries have already benefited with EU agencies relocating.
    Simple answer stop it, revoke, remain. How, when this far on the road to nowhere? ****ed if I know, it was all going to be so easy.

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  4. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    This is a misguided view IMO Beddy, we are no longer at the head of the biggest empire the World has ever seen and can't depend on exploiting and getting rich off of countries and people that are less developed any longer.
     
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  5. StJabbo

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    Yes well put! Beddy somewhere in an imperial past.
     
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  6. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

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  7. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    If I could just select these sentences then I'd say spot on

    Of course there are things in the EU that can be improved and other countries believe that as well
    Remainers don't believe the EU is perfect, they aren't stupid

    The EU never had any doubt that they wanted us in and arguing our corner, they know they are stronger with us so when will we all realise we are stronger with them

    I wish us luck negotiating alone with the US and China!!!
     
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  8. Onionman

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    Trump, speaking to Leo Varadkar, Irish Taoiseach

    “Probably you’ll ask me about Brexit because I just left some very good people who are very involved with Brexit, as you know, and I think it will all work out very well, and also for you with your wall, your border.”

    Well done, Donald, diplomatic as ever.

    Vin
     
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  9. Saints_Alive

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  10. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Absolutely, and once we are out of the Single Market we have literally ZERO bargaining power when it comes to trade deals with other countries, including, of course the EU27 which currently most of our trade is with. No manufacturing base, no raw materials, possibly no financial sector, and an agricultural sector which will disappear in the face of zero tariff food from the USA and elsewhere.

    Forget about rebuilding our former glory, without the British Empire to exploit it simply can’t be done.
     
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  11. VocalMinority

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    We've tended to do it with the help of allies. Like the coalitions against Napoleon and Hitler, not by ourselves. But these are all wars. Because when you don't have mutually agreed laws and courts to fight in, you generally overcome these things with conflict as we have shown time and time again throughout our history. Also the empire fell apart, it didn't overcome. Other than that, sure the country won't suddenly cease to exist after we leave the EU. But our hard work will lead to far more inside the EU than out of it, this has very little to do with how much faith in the country you have as the Eu simply makes us stronger no matter how strong we already are. As our history has proved time and time again, we can overcome and move forward together.
     
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  12. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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  13. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Brexiteers paying homeage to the German National Socialists the day before D-Day, oh the irony.
     
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  14. saintlyhero

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    They really shouldn’t be protesting Trump during a memorial.
     
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  15. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    No Jabbo.....I think you misunderstood........I do not like to see our country divided so much. Both sides have argued their point........(not necessarily on here agreed) The derision between camps is not good for the country. The longer it goes on the worse it will get. I am suggesting the way out maybe indeed to have another referendum. As has been suggested by others. The only thing I would ask for was to make the result legally binding. If the remain win so be it but the same goes for the Brexiteers. Let us all stop bringing the country down. In the end nobody will win the argument
     
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  16. Saints_Alive

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    What about giving Nazi salutes?
     
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  17. saintlyhero

    saintlyhero Well-Known Member

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    Probably someone just trying to hail a cab
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  18. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

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    Because to the right, "legal immigrants" is just code speak for "white Christians" and "illegal immigrants" are non-white, non-Christians. But they get really mad when you call them bigots.

    So speaking broadly about immigrants in general is just our way of not being racist and bigoted and while politely avoiding pointing out the right's blatant racism and bigotry.
     
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  19. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Jesus, did he really say that about “your wall”?

    I know he’s President of the USA, but why do media outlets even bother trying to portray him as anything other than a colossal buffoon? Is it an attempt at balance, are they cowed, or can they not quite believe what a ****ing idiot he is?
     
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  20. West Kent Saint

    West Kent Saint Well-Known Member

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    This is what frustrates me immensely. There is a massive sense of nostalgia and sentiment that overrules the the reality of the world today in many ways. The conversations that I have that go no where with my Daily Express reading parents!
     
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